Other than leaving the bike in gear, has anyone tried a modification on the kickstand to move it forward or anything else to make it more stable?
Ok , thanks Jay. I always tilt the bars as you say so haven't had the pleasure of the dance you had. Very worth remembering.On level ground the kickstand can roll forward on you in neutral .. Had it Happen .. If lock your Forks over hard left will pretty much prevent it but if have a slight downhill grade as found out I did in my Driveway will still roll .. I was pulling into Driveway left it in neutral running and opened my gate same way have done with other Bikes for years with no problems it fell over and broke of the end of the clutch lever .. Would have probably been more damage if hadn't got to it when saw it start to fall .. Did a thread about this the day it happened back in December .. Bike was only 4-5 days old ..
I finally gave up on the kickstand switch, because the US edition of our Scouts don't have the same wiring harness as the ones going to other countries.I think RBinTEX was going to as he mentioned it in this thread - Kickstand modification Indian Motorcycle Forum but he never said if he did or not.
I know what you mean, really hard to turn off the ignition when your left hand is holding in the clutch.I am used to shutting down by dropping the kickstand in gear and then turning off the key. I never used the kill switch. A time for change. I guess the method for me now is in gear, kill switch, key. Putting it in neutral to shut down will eventually get me.
I agree with yOu Jimmyr, but I can see the potential for it to happen. I played with my scout on the weekend, on the stand, in neutral, level service, gave it a little nudge and felt that the potential for a fall over was On the cards. And as they say, an ounce of protection,.....I don't get the problem here. I have not had any movement problems on any surfaces?
Not doubting you Jay... Just saying
Alpal, thanks for being our task horse and getting a good fix for us.
As for where to grind, after taking off my kickstand like you did and after seeing your pictures I would have most likely made the same decision on the location to grind as you did. Job well done!
Mine is gonna be done soon.
Do you feel that it has more stability now Alpal?
It definitely looks more stable.
One more question, does it lean just a little further to the left now than it did?
Hi Guys, News Flash. I did a little run to the supermarket because I knew they had slope there. Placed the bike on the stand, in neutral and gave her a gentle push or two forward. While it was better, I felt that it needed to be more "over centred". So, bought the wine and back home. After drinking all the wine I,.....naaa,... Only joking!,.... I put Silk back her her stand and ground a little more off. This time, for any International Scout bikers out there I also had to take a little off the heal for the kill switch. Once again I checked often and when happy put her back together and headed out to Wanganui for a visit to the Honda shop to glote. No, not really. Geoff Koewn, the owner was in his truck the day I had my accident back in 2013 and I have been back to thank him a couple of times and this time to show him the replacement for the HARLEY. Sadly he wasn't there but one of the mechanics came out and we had a ten minute chat about the bike etc etc. I know the news will get back to Geoff. He's a good bloke and dealer. Anyway I did more shopping with lots of stop and park ups on both level and sloped areas. Rock solid Lads! Even on a slope, in neutral with some gentle forward persuasion it did not want to rock over the "overcentre" as it were. Hopefully the photos will give you some idea of where the stands needs to rest up. Take it slow and all will be good. To reiterate, I used a Gremmell grinder. They are a super high speed grinder that uses very small and soft stones glued to a shaft. They wear out very quickly doing work like this but they are cheap to replace and NOT aggressive. As to lean angle, I filled up in Wanganui and did wonder if I would get less in the tank. No, it still took 10.5 litres like always. I sense that it leans more to the left but that could be just my imagination. Time for the photos. I ran a tape along the wheel track and used a square to try and give perspective and something for you to gauge off and hopefully it works for you all. I don't know how these parts are made but maybe their die for this part is a little out of plum.Fantastic and great pics, you know they always help. Did it pass the shake test? What number grit did you use on the stone or did you use as course as you could get?
Indian is not very well known for speed on anything... especially delivery of accessories.I appreciate the skill and thought process that went into fixing the kickstand. My point is why should we have to spend our money and time to fix a factory defect. Come on Indian fix the kickstand!
I'm with you RB. The mod is done. It was not hard to do. The bike is far more stable now than before and I'm glad I did it. Yes, this is Something Indian should have been aware of and fixed but I'm happy with what I have done.Indian is not very well known for speed on anything... especially delivery of accessories.
I would rather do it myself! I don't want to wait until the 2017 or 2018 models come out with the fix!
Do you think they would honor the warranty if your bike rolled off it's kickstand even though it is a well know niggle of the Scout?I'm sure you all know what your doing regarding mods and changes. But just makes me a little nervous with recalls going on. I'm sure Polaris like many manufacturers would look for any excuse not to honour a guarantee. I just do not want to give them an excuse.
I am not going to live in fear of my warranty!Normally, you fiddle with a fundamental part the manufacturer can invalidate the Warranty, and it applies to the whole object not just the part tampered with. Not always the case, but it is a risk. Anyway, enough said, ride safe and I hope the mod works for you.
I do appreciate you taking the Bull by the Horns on this one Al .. Will be doing this myself soon for better peace of mind ..Anyway I did more shopping with lots of stop and park ups on both level and sloped areas. Rock solid Lads! Even on a slope, in neutral with some gentle forward persuasion it did not want to rock over the "overcentre" as it were. Hopefully the photos will give you some idea of where the stands needs to rest up. Take it slow and all will be good. To reiterate, I used a Gremmell grinder. They are a super high speed grinder that uses very small and soft stones glued to a shaft. They wear out very quickly doing work like this but they are cheap to replace and NOT aggressive. As to lean angle, I filled up in Wanganui and did wonder if I would get less in the tank. No, it still took 10.5 litres like always. I sense that it leans more to the left but that could be just my imagination. Time for the photos. I ran a tape along the wheel track and used a square to try and give perspective and something for you to gauge off and hopefully it works for you all. I don't know how these parts are made but maybe their die for this part is a little out of plum.
All the following photos are Mod 2.
We almost had ours fall over this weekend. I was standing on the left side of the bike, she went to fasten the snap on the back of the saddlebag. Just that little bit of pressure forward on the bike cause it to roll off the stand. Fortunately, I was right there to catch it before it fell.Jay, something that I hadn't mentioned when I did my little grinding job.
Depending on how dexterous you are and what you pick to grind off the surface you may not need to take the kickstand off to do the job.
I used a Makita grinder with a layered sandpaper disc to do mine and did not remove the kickstand.
Great care should be taken in your placement of the disc to keep from touching anything else but the surface you want to grind.
I was lucky to do this by being very careful and meticulous about the tool use.
Something smaller like a Dremel tool might be safer than what I used! <G>
I had to take quite a bit off mine but Alpal only took a small amount of his, so I guess you need to use care and keep checking your progress. carefully as you go
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Any chance of getting an idea how long before they will be able to work on such a thing?Reply from Mark at Aeromach:
Right after we almost rolled our own Scout, we knew there needed to be something done.
We're a little maxed out production wise at this time but as soon as we can catch our
breath we're going to seriously look into this.
Take care,
Mark