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A good look at the rectangular battery/ tool cover and ribbed pannier (vs triangular and solid for Harley WLA).

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Watch Harley and the Davidson History Channel or HULU. A lot about the battle between Indian and Harley (doesn't paint Indian in such great light). During the war when they were both fighting for contracts, Harley offered the military free in field service, granting them a bigger piece of the contract. Amazing show.
 
"During the war when they were both fighting for contracts, Harley offered the military free in field service, granting them a bigger piece of the contract. Amazing show."
The way I heard that story was that the war department set out specific requirements for the engine of the motorcycle which Indian followed to the letter. Harlee mad one with a more powerful engine and won the contract. A majority of the Scouts went to the British Empire countries. My wife is a Kiwi, I have been over there many times over the years. Civilianized 741's are everywhere and well loved by the Kiwi's.
 
I work at a VA hospital, where I'm fortunate enough to regularly talk with WWII guys. One explained that he had seen guys riding all over on motorcycles, and asked "how do I get that job?" He was told to transfer to a recon unit - so he put in his paperwork, but the week after his transfer was approved, they made the change over to Jeeps. He was NOT happy.
 
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During World War II, the US Army requested experimental motorcycle designs suitable for desert fighting and offered Indian $350,000 in exchange for 1,000 shaft-drive, side-valve, twin-cylinder test motorcycles. In response to this request, Indian designed and built the 841 (8 for the new engine design and 41 for the year).

The Indian 841 was heavily inspired by the BMW R71 motorcycle, as was its competitor, the Harley-Davidson XA. However, unlike the XA, the 841 was not a copy of the R71. Although its tubular frame, plunger rear suspension, four speed transmission, foot operated shifter, hand operated clutch and shaft drive were similar to the BMW's, the 841 was different from the BMW in several aspects, most noticeably so with its 90-degree longitudinal-crankshaft V-twin engine and girder fork. Also unlike the R71 and the XA, the 841 used a heel-and-toe shift pedal with heel-operated upshifts and toe-operated downshifts. The bike also had a low compression ratio of 5.1:1, meaning that it could be run on low-octane fuel, crash bars to protect the cylinders, 18-inch wheels, two separate gas tanks for a total of 5 gallons of available fuel and newly designed girder forks for better shock absorption. In order to reduce costs, the new V-twin shared several internal components with the existing Indian Sport Scout, resulting in the same bore and stroke of 2.87 in Ă— 3.50 in (73 mm Ă— 89 mm).

The Indian 841 and the Harley-Davidson XA were both tested by the Army, but neither motorcycle was adopted for wider military use. It was determined that the Jeep was more suitable for the roles and missions for which these motorcycles had been intended. The 841 had also been found to have gearbox problems. Surplus 841s were eventually sold from the corporate warehouse in Springfield.
 
Hink,

This is very well done. I would like to suggest that this thread gets a 'sticky' for the top of the front page. It would/could be of great interest to new visitors and finding it on the 'landing page' of this site might entice them to stay and contribute. Plus some of us regulars may want refer to it in the future and with 'old timers' hitting some of us (like me) making it easier to find is a good thing.

It's just a thought.

Again, this is very well put together. Take a little something out of petty cash and go buy yourself something pretty.

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I would like to suggest that this thread gets a 'sticky' for the top of the front page. It would/could be of great interest to new visitors and finding it on the 'landing page' of this site might entice them to stay and contribute. Plus some of us regulars may want refer to it in the future and with 'old timers' hitting some of us (like me) making it easier to find is a good thing.
Excellent suggestion — done.
 
Would I have loved to have been there for this: 1946, auctioning off 1,000 brand-new surplus WLA’s, 741s and 841s. Nothing sold for over $1,000. There were rumors for years after the war that you could buy unassembled surplus motorcycles for $150. They were stored in cosmoline. As far as I know, this was just an urban myth. Nobody I know of got one.

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A friend of mine in high school bought 10 50's era Harley servi-cars that were used by the local police for meter-maids. All dealer maintained, bought the lot of 10 for $3000 in 1983...still has them all in a barn up on blocks and under tarps. He starts them all up a couple times a year and will even put them in gear and let them run til they run out of gas, then re-tarp, lock the door and walk away
 
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