Because it’s higher than the main competition!

 

"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" ~ Carroll Shelby

It is a sales technique.

 

Tell that to the low torque crotch rockets that continually smoke V Twins in the 1/4 mile. They have the higher HP at rpm, they loose at the line but cross the finish line first.

 

Because Harleys 114” puts out 90HP now ain’t we lookin that much better at 30% more !

 

Jeez! my little 74 cubic inch, 460 pound (wet), Triumph twin puts out 97hp. That there 114 inch Harley is still playing catch up....but it never will.

 

Wouldn’t you like to pull up to a $45,000 CVO and just smoke him lol I can whip a 107” with my chieftain but haven’t tried a 114”...............yet

 

I’m looking for Indians around here to go up against on but I just don’t see any around here ! Come down we’ll have a grudge match lol how much HP does the 116 put out ?


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my 116 is 105.83 hp and 128 ft lbs tq

 

Old racing line “horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you move the wall”

 

Long ago a local engine builder told me that HP was Ali rabbit punching you and TQ was Frazier following through with a hit to the kidney.

TQ is determined by mechanical means. HP is a calculation. At least thats what I was always told.

 

@IMARIDER lmao hey I did say stock oem to stock oem didn’t I ? The problem with putting all that money in a Harley to make them do that is they won’t stay together lol speaking from years of experience and wasted $$

 

That is a stock bike @ New York Mike [emoji57] The bike doing the wheelie is from George Bryce Star Racing bagger 9 second bike in the quarter mile. Yeah there's a reason why they tear down dragsters after every run


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Sounds like something HD would try to pass off..
They are about the ONLY mfg that didn't post these numbers.. I never knew why, until 3rd parties posted them.. explained everything...

 

They posted HP numbers on the V-Rod . Indian doesn't post HP numbers on the TS111 and the TS116
I think the reason why Harley and Indian don't publish HP mumbers on the big pushrod engines is because they are all about the torque which both companies freely publish.


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Torque is what you can measure on a roller test bench with the engine installed in a vehicle or on engine break test bench without installed in a vehicle.
Power is the result of torque multiplied by rpm.
So there is always a corrolation between torque und power

 

You can think of it like torque is a measure of force, horsepower is force over time.

 

To quote Caroll Shelby: "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races". I am excited about this platform as the base torque is on spot with a 111 with cams. The potential is going to be awesome.

 

Horse power has been talked about in promotional releases since forever by motorcycle companies. Just not Harley. I wonder why...

 

The Harley motors suck at horsepower and just talk about torque. Couple of reasons, they don't have any numbers for horsepower that anyone would be proud of so they have numbers that you can't directly compare to most competitors. Second it sounds big when compared to other motors, if you do see torque numbers for a crotch rocket you can be happy with your bike that it makes more torque.

Harley has low horsepower bikes because they want to focus on the experience. The liquid cooled higher revving motors that KTM and Ducati make don't sound like a Harley. If you want the sound, you need to get the power as low as possible so you can better hear the individual cylinders firing.

The Caroll Shelby quote is referring to area under the curve. If you have a vehicle with a very peaked horsepower rating versus a vehicle with good torque (and thus hp) through the RPM range, the broader power band will win a race. Another way to look at it, if you have a motor making 100ft-lbs at 1500 RPM and I have a motor making the same 100ft-lbs at 5000 RPM, I will win because I can get more work done.

Remember, horsepower is a calculated number based on torque and RPM.

HP = torque X RPM

5252​

This is the reason that when looking at a dyno chart where the HP and the torque are on the same graph and the standard English units are used, the torque and HP will always cross over at the 5252 mark.

 

The Pushrod engines from Indian are following the same formula that you’re citing Harley for. The 107 has more HP than the TS111 as well as the 114. Indian also doesn’t publish HP numbers on its pushrod engines either hmmm I wonder why ? I’d like to see the dyno numbers on the factory TS 116 .


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