Indian first to patent an engine driven bicycle aka "motorcycle" in 1897.
First one to follows through on it and make a motorcycle in 1901. HD 2 years later.
1903 George Hendee starts a race for builders to compete, where he set the record at 56mph.
1904 the Indian dealerships were first to offer a color choice. It being "vermilion red".
HD opened its first dealer Same year.
3 years later Indian is first to trademark the brand having a color, and vermilion become "Indian red" admittedly IDK how long after HD trade marked black and orange, just know Indian came up with the idea of trademark colors in MC.
1906 Indian creates the first V-twin.
HD in 1909. In which landed HD in court for patent and copyright infringement on certain designs with in it. found not guilty, but as history now shows, we know to be true via biographies and admission of stealing parts.
1910 Indian develops a leaf spring suspension front end. A design used and copied for years after by HD.
1910 also saw the first automatic oil pump.
Swing arm rear suspension design concept used today.
(HD was still rigid, not even cylinder sprung yet)
First electric start.
1916 Indian develops the first stressed member engine/frame on the K series which becomes the preferred design philosophy for nearly every motorcycle except ANY HD...
1916 Indian plunger springs it's frames.
HD still rigid.
1920 Indian come out with the Scout. This bike leaves behind the belt driven primary drive Indian developed (that HD copied and still uses a version of today) the other models use and instead uses a new gear driven primary. A design most motorcycle makers use today. Expect HD.
1930 First to offer a "custom" option where customer could pick from as many 24 DuPont color's.
1938 an Indian MC club "the Jackpine Gypsies" puts together a race that still happens to this day in a lil town some HD folks may go to or at least have heard of called Sturgis.
Late 1940s introduced a telescoping fork. the first. Between the 2. And design concept used to this day by 99.9% of bikes. Including HD.
1950 the Chief is first bike of the 2 to use chrome plating over nickle.
In all seriousness, I could go on. But I won't. it got boring and was so one sided it became insulate as I wrote it..
Bottom line, is every single thing that is indicative to every single thing HDs beloved "heritage" prides it self on or with was started by Indian..
I don't "hate" guys like this. I pity them. guys like me (Hatt) realize that guys like that (Matt) stand on the shoulders of giants being critical of what they are blind to from up so high on those shoulders
it's easy to forget who walked us there...
I just find it much better for progress to acknowledge whats right, what true, and what's better regardless of who and push design forward. Not sit on laurels (others people's laurels?) And judge and insult those that do push forward simply because they are being passed up by progress. Doing so is much like an insult..(like is so commonly levied from that camp) it says nothing of the intended target, and volumes to the hurler of the insult....
Satire based on truth is one thing, insolence based in ignorance and a lack of appreciation of precedence and history is just an insult based in negligence, ignorance or both.
I would have never known this stuff if I wasn't insulted for years by them. I would have never known about Indian or HD history if my attention wasn't grabbed by their insults. I simply didn't pay attention as foreign rider. I was forced to attention...Thus Indian would have never sold me a bike if not for the insults forcing my research years ago, educating me to american bikes, and the history of them. I owed them thanks for developing technologies that were even on my foreign bikes, of which until I was forced to attention I didn't even realize I owed to Indian.
I learned of and appreciated Indian because of their history and HD "derivative" never ending insults to others and other makes. I then chose Indian because of their history, and their renewed progressive direction. Again, I used to not even pay attention to American bikes..
So go ahead Matt, take that silver salesman tongue and nervous forced laughter and sell some more Indians! Those that came before you will thank you! Those that want progress will too.
don't forget to smash that like button and subscribe.. thanks for watching, this is
Hatt Lameflaw.
First one to follows through on it and make a motorcycle in 1901. HD 2 years later.
1903 George Hendee starts a race for builders to compete, where he set the record at 56mph.
1904 the Indian dealerships were first to offer a color choice. It being "vermilion red".
HD opened its first dealer Same year.
3 years later Indian is first to trademark the brand having a color, and vermilion become "Indian red" admittedly IDK how long after HD trade marked black and orange, just know Indian came up with the idea of trademark colors in MC.
1906 Indian creates the first V-twin.
HD in 1909. In which landed HD in court for patent and copyright infringement on certain designs with in it. found not guilty, but as history now shows, we know to be true via biographies and admission of stealing parts.
1910 Indian develops a leaf spring suspension front end. A design used and copied for years after by HD.
1910 also saw the first automatic oil pump.
Swing arm rear suspension design concept used today.
(HD was still rigid, not even cylinder sprung yet)
First electric start.
1916 Indian develops the first stressed member engine/frame on the K series which becomes the preferred design philosophy for nearly every motorcycle except ANY HD...
1916 Indian plunger springs it's frames.
HD still rigid.
1920 Indian come out with the Scout. This bike leaves behind the belt driven primary drive Indian developed (that HD copied and still uses a version of today) the other models use and instead uses a new gear driven primary. A design most motorcycle makers use today. Expect HD.
1930 First to offer a "custom" option where customer could pick from as many 24 DuPont color's.
1938 an Indian MC club "the Jackpine Gypsies" puts together a race that still happens to this day in a lil town some HD folks may go to or at least have heard of called Sturgis.
Late 1940s introduced a telescoping fork. the first. Between the 2. And design concept used to this day by 99.9% of bikes. Including HD.
1950 the Chief is first bike of the 2 to use chrome plating over nickle.
In all seriousness, I could go on. But I won't. it got boring and was so one sided it became insulate as I wrote it..
Bottom line, is every single thing that is indicative to every single thing HDs beloved "heritage" prides it self on or with was started by Indian..
I don't "hate" guys like this. I pity them. guys like me (Hatt) realize that guys like that (Matt) stand on the shoulders of giants being critical of what they are blind to from up so high on those shoulders
it's easy to forget who walked us there...
I just find it much better for progress to acknowledge whats right, what true, and what's better regardless of who and push design forward. Not sit on laurels (others people's laurels?) And judge and insult those that do push forward simply because they are being passed up by progress. Doing so is much like an insult..(like is so commonly levied from that camp) it says nothing of the intended target, and volumes to the hurler of the insult....
Satire based on truth is one thing, insolence based in ignorance and a lack of appreciation of precedence and history is just an insult based in negligence, ignorance or both.
I would have never known this stuff if I wasn't insulted for years by them. I would have never known about Indian or HD history if my attention wasn't grabbed by their insults. I simply didn't pay attention as foreign rider. I was forced to attention...Thus Indian would have never sold me a bike if not for the insults forcing my research years ago, educating me to american bikes, and the history of them. I owed them thanks for developing technologies that were even on my foreign bikes, of which until I was forced to attention I didn't even realize I owed to Indian.
I learned of and appreciated Indian because of their history and HD "derivative" never ending insults to others and other makes. I then chose Indian because of their history, and their renewed progressive direction. Again, I used to not even pay attention to American bikes..
So go ahead Matt, take that silver salesman tongue and nervous forced laughter and sell some more Indians! Those that came before you will thank you! Those that want progress will too.
don't forget to smash that like button and subscribe.. thanks for watching, this is
Hatt Lameflaw.
