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Hey y'all! Long time lurker, just looking for a little input.

I have a 2016 Scout Sixty that I just love. We clock a lot of miles, and there are a few upgrades I'm looking for that my 60 just doesn't have; namely, ABS and 6 gears. The factory upgraded suspension would also be nice, but I realize aftermarket could take care of that, all other things being equal. So my plan is to purchase a 'big' Scout, and just do a tin swap on it from my current bike.

Going to look at a 2017 this weekend; is there ANY reason I would go for a 2020 instead? I know the 20s come stock with the sport seats and the passenger pegs, but both of those things would go immediately. I've been seeing that newer models have upgraded braking system as well? Does that begin on the '20s? Or on the 2019s? I noticed that the gear ratios changed slightly from 2017 to 2018; would that really make a big difference? I'm fully aware the final gear ratios for 5th on a 60 and 6th on a 69 are the same; I'm WANTING that true 5th gear, for those 55 mph roads where 4th is too wound out and 5th bogs down on my 60.

I've poured over all the specs from Indian, and the prices on the 19/20 models are ALL so fixed. I see better deals on the 17/18 models, but there's not a ton out there. Let me know your opinions! I know Indian makes tiny changes that sometimes a "regular" person such as myself may not realize has changed, but it could end up making a huge difference in the ride.
 

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I hadn’t heard anything about gear ratio changes over the years until you mentioned it.
So I tried looking for info and found these just now. Not sure what to make of the 1st and 6th gear changes.
I didn’t think there had been any differences since the first Scout model year.
Anyone know?


Scout 2018Bobber
Gear Ratio1st 10.926 : 1
2nd 7.427 : 1
3rd 5.918 : 1
4th 5.022 : 1
5th 4.439 : 1
6th 4.087 :


Scout 2015
Gear Ratio (Overall)
1st – 10.782 : 1
2nd – 7.328 : 1
3rd – 5.841 : 1
4th – 4.957 : 1
5th – 4.380 : 1
6th – 4.034 : 1
Final Drive – 2.357 : 1
Horsepower (HP): 100 (74.7 kW)
Peak Torque (J1349 ft-lbs): 72.2 ft-lbs.

Scout 2020
Gear Ratio (1st)
10.926 : 1
Gear Ratio (2nd)
7.427 : 1
Gear Ratio (3rd)
5.918 : 1
Gear Ratio (4th)
5.022 : 1
Gear Ratio (5th)
4.439 : 1
Gear Ratio (6th)
3.810 : 1
Transmission/Final Drive
2.357 : 1
 
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Off the top of my head, better front suspension.

There’s a thread here about model year changes that has everything. Not sure if it’s updated for 2020, though.
 

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They certainly lengthened the sixth gear ratio for fewer laps on the highway and consequently less fuel consumption. It is an overdrve in every sense
 

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Is that gearing change just new to the 2020 models? Just curious as I bought a 2019 ABS Icon back in September. It doesn't really bother me one way or the other.
 

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Well, it’s a moot point now! Pulled the trigger on a 2017 Blue over white 2-tone. Mechanically, feels great going down the road, but it needs hopefully a battery and not a starter🤨. Bike was serviced but never washed, so needs some serious Chrome TLC. Other than that, it was just TOO good of a deal to pass up! Bringing her home next weekend!
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Is that gearing change just new to the 2020 models? Just curious as I bought a 2019 ABS Icon back in September. It doesn't really bother me one way or the other.

They don’t show the higher sixth gear for the 2019:

Gear Ratio (1st)
10.926 : 1
Gear Ratio (2nd)
7.427 : 1
Gear Ratio (3rd)
5.918 : 1
Gear Ratio (4th)
5.022 : 1
Gear Ratio (5th)
4.439 : 1
Gear Ratio (6th)
4.087 : 1

2020 Scout (Bobber,Anniversary):
Gear Ratio (1st)
10.926 : 1
Gear Ratio (2nd)
7.427 : 1
Gear Ratio (3rd)
5.918 : 1
Gear Ratio (4th)
5.022 : 1
Gear Ratio (5th)
4.439 : 1
Gear Ratio (6th)
3.810 : 1

2020 Scout Sixty (Bobber):
Gear Ratio (5th) {sans 5th}
4.087 : 1
 

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2017 is the best year, imo.
New suspension and starter.

The 2017 60's have larger throttle bodies than following years.

I have no use for the 5th gear as it's only a half gear ratio in-between 4 & 6.

I have a 2015 and I upgraded fork springs and fluid and rear shocks and it's better than my wife's 2017 now. Only cost me about $350 for everything if I remember correctly.

Congrats on the new bike.

Love the Scout!
 

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Some of the 17s have the old starter. Mine got replaced this year, under warranty, after it failed a few times on some cold spring mornings.
 

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I hadn’t heard anything about gear ratio changes over the years until you mentioned it.
So I tried looking for info and found these just now. Not sure what to make of the 1st and 6th gear changes.
I didn’t think there had been any differences since the first Scout model year.
Anyone know?


Scout 2018Bobber
Gear Ratio1st 10.926 : 1
2nd 7.427 : 1
3rd 5.918 : 1
4th 5.022 : 1
5th 4.439 : 1
6th 4.087 :


Scout 2015
Gear Ratio (Overall)
1st – 10.782 : 1
2nd – 7.328 : 1
3rd – 5.841 : 1
4th – 4.957 : 1
5th – 4.380 : 1
6th – 4.034 : 1
Final Drive – 2.357 : 1
Horsepower (HP): 100 (74.7 kW)
Peak Torque (J1349 ft-lbs): 72.2 ft-lbs.

Scout 2020
Gear Ratio (1st)
10.926 : 1
Gear Ratio (2nd)
7.427 : 1
Gear Ratio (3rd)
5.918 : 1
Gear Ratio (4th)
5.022 : 1
Gear Ratio (5th)
4.439 : 1
Gear Ratio (6th)
3.810 : 1
Transmission/Final Drive
2.357 : 1
I’m constantly shifting into 7th,, from 6th. But, I did that on my softail too. I fixed that issue with a bigger primary pulley and a smaller rear pulley. Never shifted to 6th from 5th again.
 

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2017 is the best year, imo.
New suspension and starter.

The 2017 60's have larger throttle bodies than following years.

I have no use for the 5th gear as it's only a half gear ratio in-between 4 & 6.

I have a 2015 and I upgraded fork springs and fluid and rear shocks and it's better than my wife's 2017 now. Only cost me about $350 for everything if I remember correctly.

Congrats on the new bike.

Love the Scout!
I agree with you on the "missing" 5th gear on the 60. I ride a lot of 55 mph country roads here and 4th is not breathing hard at 55 - about 3500 rpm. With this engine that is pretty much a good range for cruising speed. Not working hard yet decent power on demand. I can't see that a small step in between the 60's 4th & 5th would get any real use.
Since I got this bike it has taken me a while to get used to it liking more revs than my S40 which had all it's power at lower rpms. I'm starting to like making it hum a little more.
 

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Hey y'all! Long time lurker, just looking for a little input.

I have a 2016 Scout Sixty that I just love. We clock a lot of miles, and there are a few upgrades I'm looking for that my 60 just doesn't have; namely, ABS and 6 gears. The factory upgraded suspension would also be nice, but I realize aftermarket could take care of that, all other things being equal. So my plan is to purchase a 'big' Scout, and just do a tin swap on it from my current bike.

Going to look at a 2017 this weekend; is there ANY reason I would go for a 2020 instead? I know the 20s come stock with the sport seats and the passenger pegs, but both of those things would go immediately. I've been seeing that newer models have upgraded braking system as well? Does that begin on the '20s? Or on the 2019s? I noticed that the gear ratios changed slightly from 2017 to 2018; would that really make a big difference? I'm fully aware the final gear ratios for 5th on a 60 and 6th on a 69 are the same; I'm WANTING that true 5th gear, for those 55 mph roads where 4th is too wound out and 5th bogs down on my 60.

I've poured over all the specs from Indian, and the prices on the 19/20 models are ALL so fixed. I see better deals on the 17/18 models, but there's not a ton out there. Let me know your opinions! I know Indian makes tiny changes that sometimes a "regular" person such as myself may not realize has changed, but it could end up making a huge difference in the ride.
Howdy!
My only complaint with my 2017 scout is that the front end suspension is too soft & tends to dive once brakes have been applied. As there is no manual adjustments Im looking to upgrade fork springs to better handle - will also do the rear though front is most noticeable whether riding alone or with a pillion. Not sure what the 2020 is like but this is my only gripe with the 2017!
 

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Some of the 17s have the old starter. Mine got replaced this year, under warranty, after it failed a few times on some cold spring mornings.
Yes my starter & battery was also replaced under warranty (2017 scout) though the dealer didn't list as a warranty claim they just said that they would do it - no issues now
 

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I'm not sure if a 2019 is the same exact suspension as a 2020 Scout. My 2019 has a firm ride and I can feel every little bump and ripple in the pavement. The plus side is that it isn't mushy or wallowing which helps the handling. I went with a Corbin solo seat to replace the torture rack seat that came with the bike.
 

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I agree with you on the "missing" 5th gear on the 60. I ride a lot of 55 mph country roads here and 4th is not breathing hard at 55 - about 3500 rpm. With this engine that is pretty much a good range for cruising speed. Not working hard yet decent power on demand. I can't see that a small step in between the 60's 4th & 5th would get any real use.
Since I got this bike it has taken me a while to get used to it liking more revs than my S40 which had all it's power at lower rpms. I'm starting to like making it hum a little more.
After quite a long while on big bikes (including my Chieftain) I was trained to keep rpm's in the 2000-3000 range. Much above that and the vibes are bothersome.

I find myself riding happily along and realize I'm in the mid 3000's and loving it. Smooth, responsive. Good golly, red line is over 8000!
You can hit about 80 in SECOND gear if you like.

Absolutely LOVE this engine. Can't wait for my next ride!
 

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Howdy!
My only complaint with my 2017 scout is that the front end suspension is too soft & tends to dive once brakes have been applied. As there is no manual adjustments Im looking to upgrade fork springs to better handle - will also do the rear though front is most noticeable whether riding alone or with a pillion. Not sure what the 2020 is like but this is my only gripe with the 2017!
I put the progressive springs in when the fork oil was changed. I stuck with the recommended 10w oil. I have been happy with the results. No more dive and the front end just feels more stable going down the road at 55.
 

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I put the progressive springs in when the fork oil was changed. I stuck with the recommended 10w oil. I have been happy with the results. No more dive and the front end just feels more stable going down the road at 55.
And... it's super easy to do yourself. Did mine and it's a big improvement over the stock 2015 springs.
 

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Well without any technical background, I went from a 2016 Scout 60 to full size 2020 Scout, and all I can say is the ride is 100% better. Better all around cornering, suspension and braking. The power is there also, but really didn't need or care about that as the 60 was plenty for my style of ride, but man oh man the ride is so much better on the newer models. Possibly due to new type of tires (Night Dragons) and the updated progressive springs. Don't know if the new master brake cylinder has anything to do with brakes.
 
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