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"I'd love to have an unescorted whack at the Sportster S. Even though I think it's ugly. See what it's got, real world. "

It's very impressive.
Did you get to push it a little? If so ...

When punching it do you get the big iron tractor torque then a quickly revving run-up? Or is it like Scout with decent torque and a long, decent revving top end? Or is it like the FTR and wants to bring the wheel up on gear changes and then pulls your arm off after 5500 rpm?

How would you characterize the motor?

If they ever send out a base model with different pipes I could see me taking a serious look. I'm still hoping the Bronx will see daylight.
 

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I was able to twist it just a bit, but not full throated gut reaming.
I was able to try it's three ride modes. On my Bonneville the difference between to two modes isn't all that noticeable. The three modes on the S are quite different. Sport was more than I would normally use. Pretty responsive. The middle mode was good. Not twitchy but still enjoyable. Rain mode was very noticeable. Not much response when twisting throttle, I guess good for rain.
I liked the engine in this setup better than Pan Am. Can't really define why, maybe it's less peaky, more mid range blah, blah (market speak, I know).
It seemed to handle better than it looks like it should. The overall package is very nice, but the form over function of this bike makes me eager for more functional and comfortable versions.
This powertrain would work very well in a Bronx type motorcycle. I hope that model is resurrected at some point.
Bottom line. I wouldn't buy the S. It's not much more than a short hop bike. Would I be interested in more conventional version? Hell yes.
 

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I have yet to see someone riding one on the street around here. Young people are particular about the image they project and in my opinion cool influences their choices. Sportster S definitely not cool.
 

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Part of riding a motorcycle is looking cool. Or maybe feeling like you look cool. I'm 52 and I have no time for stupid looking bikes. I certainly want one that rides well and goes fast, but no matter how fast it goes I don't think I would feel cool on that Sportster S. I am sure some custom mods could make it much better looking. I have an S4R Ducati Monster and the Scout goes almost as fast, so power and speed are fine for me on the Scout. I would bet that the Sportster S corners better with the higher seat and ground clearance.
 

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Part of riding a motorcycle is looking cool. Or maybe feeling like you look cool. I'm 52 and I have no time for stupid looking bikes. I certainly want one that rides well and goes fast, but no matter how fast it goes I don't think I would feel cool on that Sportster S. I am sure some custom mods could make it much better looking. I have an S4R Ducati Monster and the Scout goes almost as fast, so power and speed are fine for me on the Scout. I would bet that the Sportster S corners better with the higher seat and ground clearance.
The chunky proportions make it look like a toy to me, like riding a Matchbox car. So, low on the cool factor.
 

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Not much you can do with the cluttered mass of tangle left side of bike. Maybe hide it all behind a sportbike style fairing? The right side looks less bad but still bad.

Lets see what they do with the clutter on the classic Sportster next year. Now I am begining to doubt that will look good...

You can find the same power in better looking bikes already on the market. How about a power plus 108 Scout? I think Indian is going to upsurp the Sportster S handily.
 

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Not much you can do with the cluttered mass of tangle left side of bike. Maybe hide it all behind a sportbike style fairing? The right side looks less bad but still bad.

Lets see what they do with the clutter on the classic Sportster next year. Now I am begining to doubt that will look good...

You can find the same power in better looking bikes already on the market. How about a power plus 108 Scout? I think Indian is going to upsurp the Sportster S handily.
Not much you can do with the cluttered mass of tangle left side of bike. Maybe hide it all behind a sportbike style fairing? The right side looks less bad but still bad.

Lets see what they do with the clutter on the classic Sportster next year. Now I am begining to doubt that will look good...

You can find the same power in better looking bikes already on the market. How about a power plus 108 Scout? I think Indian is going to upsurp the Sportster S handily.
I think the 108 would be overkill. In my opinion the FTR engine would be a better match. FTR 120 Hp 87 ftlbs, Sportster S 121Hp 94ftlbs. To me the 108 torque would be unusable in the Scout since it’s about 300 pounds lighter than the Challenger.


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I think the 108 would be overkill. In my opinion the FTR engine would be a better match. FTR 120 Hp 87 ftlbs, Sportster S 121Hp 94ftlbs. To me the 108 torque would be unusable in the Scout since it’s about 300 pounds lighter than the Challenger.


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Right. Put that engine on the chief, fix the fenders and woooo!
 

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I think Ricks did a nice job. The exhaust is more acceptable than the stock version. Still not a fan of the bronze engine components.
I actually liked the bronze touches on the Bronx. The new Sporty is just ugly to me, overall.

About a higher powered Scout ... I dunno. With a stage 1 my FTR was a beast. I'm not sure more motor is what the Scout needs. There is a $#@!-ton of power above 4500 rpm already. Looking forward to a stage 1 on both mine. As I always harp ... all I want is better shocks and cruise control. With free retro-active upgrade for existing owners. :LOL: I'm just too poor right now to fix those. :(
 

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The Sportster S isn't the best looking motorcycle I've seen. To me the pipes and the mini pad like seat are the worst offenders. I certainly wouldn't buy one. It's just not very comfortable or functional. Performance and gizmo-wise they are pretty impressive. It will be interesting to see what HD does with the platform.
The Scout is a fine machine. But it is a bit long in the tooth and might be due for a refresh. I'd also love to see a Scout S (for lack of a better term).
I just like to see the rivalry between HD and Polaris, assuming it really is a rivalry. Keeps both on their toes which gives us more variety to ride, and argue about on the interwebs!
 

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In the 10 years since 2011 when Polaris acquired the Indian name Indian has become once again Harleys biggest competitor. Because of the deep pockets of Polaris Harley has found itself in the unfamiliar position of playing catch up.

Even though Indian doesn't have the scale of sales that Harley does year after year they have gained market share as they have executed their business plan better and have outperformed Harley in many areas.

Better engineers, better marketing, better designs. Success on the racetrack. Success on the showroom floor. It's obvious Ola Englund did not design the Sportster S.
 

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You guys really find this to be ugly? I saw it in person. It’s slick, low, and mean. It’s also completely badass to ride. Love it or hate it, it’s good for all of us. It’ll keep Indian on their toes. Polaris will have to fire back.

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You guys really find this to be ugly? I saw it in person. It’s slick, low, and mean. It’s also completely badass to ride. Love it or hate it, it’s good for all of us. It’ll keep Indian on their toes. Polaris will have to fire back.

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I like it! I'd like it with a different headlight but that's about it.
 

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I personally think this whole HD vs. Indian thing is way overhyped. I really doubt their engineers/designers sit around trying to draw up something to directly “compete” against another bike especially when it’s first released. The sportster s or the new Chief could both be flops then who cares. It’s about capturing the largest market segment they can with as little capital invested as possible.
 
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