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I think this comes down to dealers, bike and parts manufacturers marketing. There is a difference between "custom" and "customized" and the dealers especially conflate those terms all the time. Over time the terms have lost meaning for both "custom" and "bobber".

Bolting on a different do-dad than what came stock does not make it a custom bike. It is customized. It is not upgraded, there is just cosmetic changes that the next owner may or may not care about. I love the ads that list "over $5k in upgrades!". Nah, those aren't upgrades, buddy, you took a stock bike and made it ugly with a bunch of crap from China sold by brands with cool names.

But the manufacturers hold guilt with this too. Indian took a Scout, swapped out the fenders and called it a Bobber. It's not a bobber in the traditional sense, since the changes are cosmetic and didn't result in any real weight loss. The original bobbers were really cut down bikes, lot of them even ditching the front brake for weight savings. But the idea of a bobber is cool so now two companies have models they call Bobber, that are just solo seat version of an existing model.

This isn't new or unique to "custom bobber" as a term. Look at how many people misuse the term "suicide shift" or "suicide clutch" when they slap a hand shifter on a bike. To be a suicide shift the bike has to have a foot clutch, a hand shift and no front brake. The whole reason it got the name "suicide" is because you can only have one foot down at a time, so you have to release the rear brake, your only brake, to operate the clutch to get going. But over the years the concept got watered down and now lots of guys install a hand shifter and misuse the term. It's all just marketing and posturing. It exists in all modern industries.
Funny now i hear some folks saying they would like to build a bike with a "suicide clutch".
What the hell is that lol.
We had jockey shift,only because the orignal parts were expensive.and none of us had money.
The clutch pedal was,in my case,a choaker chain off a dog collar,(cus it was chrome),and a foot pedal off a vw trike.again the chrome thing.
Going to a foot clutch allowed you to pull in the clutch farther than you could with a hand clutch,cus if you didnt,the early clutches would drag and push you into traffic,unless you stuck it into neutral.
Stock panhead had a mousetrap that mounted on the frame and muliplied the cable pull length.
But then the money thing again,and a dog collar was a lot cheaper.lol
 

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I used to be attracted to bobber style bikes. But now with all the factory built bobber models it’s wearing off on me. King of like how the Honda Fury killed off the factory chopper style designs.
I’m working on my R18 to make it fit me but also stand out from that horde of R18s you see out on the road these days 😂. So I’m going with a more classic full fender look.

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Interesting, where does a horde of R18 exist? do they sell somewhere?
I think it's a great bike, but I haven't seen them rollin, yet.
 

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I've personally seen very few Scout Bobbers that look better than mine. Not necessarily based on aesthetics, but based on the fact that mines looks exactly like I configured it to look. And although we all say that we don't give a flying **** about anyone's approval and honestly mean it, we also at the same time get a charge when someone else admires our bike for the "customizations" we made to it. I am so conflicted! LMAO.

For this reason, I'd never judge anyone's modifications. If someone's bobber looks like crap in my opinion, I just keep it to myself. Hell I might even feign admiration. Just a little bit of consideration and kindness never hurt anyone. Bikes are like works of art. Who's the hell to judge?!?
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I've personally seen very few Scout Bobbers that look better than mine. Not necessarily based on aesthetics, but based on the fact that mines looks exactly like I configured it to look. And although we all say that we don't give a flying **** about anyone's approval and honestly mean it, we also at the same time get a charge when someone else admires our bike for the "customizations" we made to it. I am so conflicted! LMAO.

For this reason, I'd never judge anyone's modifications. If someone's bobber looks like crap in my opinion, I just keep it to myself. Hell I might even feign admiration. Just a little bit of consideration and kindness never hurt anyone. Bikes are like works of art. Who's the hell to judge?!?
I hope I was clear that I am not judging a PERSON'S tastes.
Do whatever floats your boat.

I'm old enough to have lived through various trends....and the Cycle mags and the people that follow whatever the trend is.

Choppers. Baggers. Big front wheels. Bobbers. Club style.

At least most of those trends require a fair amount of skill and energy to create.

The original Bobber trend has turned into nothing more than removing a fender and blacking stuff out.

That's it.

Don't take it personally. I have built custom bikes. There was welding and fabrication involved. I'm just saying --- raise the bar, as a motorcycle community speaking to the Cycle mags, followers, etc.
 

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Time always marches forward and it is immaterial how and why bobbers came ‘into being,’ but interesting nonetheless. Fads and styles come and go and subsequently come again. If it wasn’t any good in the first place it wouldn’t be so prevalent today albeit with a modern twist surely? Not everybody has the tools and technical acumen to manufacture their own from scratch and when they are available to emulate with parts off the shelf ‘Why Not!’ It’s both freedom and personal choice, something we all hold dear to our hearts and at great historical cost!

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Interesting, where does a horde of R18 exist? do they sell somewhere?
I think it's a great bike, but I haven't seen them rollin, yet.
I made that comment in jest. The R18 is a great bike but is not selling in any kind of volume. Which is great because I like riding something a little different. But in the rather small R18 community the common mod for anyone doing more than bolt-ons is a bobber conversion. BMW showed a factory bobber custom and threatens to one day made all the accessories available to duplicate it.
But I'm going to go in the direction of a modern classic look. I am machining some beach bars right now for internal wiring and I have a custom made swing seat being made by some craftsmen in Germany.
So even if I ever do run into that "horde" of R18s and by chance some of the owners have made some mods to their bikes, I will be one of the few to not head down that bobber path.

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We have a guy at work who created his own motorcycle customizing company. He actually has a vinyl sticker with the company name and logo on the back window of his truck. In actuality, all he does is remove factory equipment and bolt on accessories. I told him that if it doesn't involve taking a sawzall and welder to a stock frame to cut or stretch it, or dropping an engine into a custom made aftermarket frame, it's not custom. He doesn't have the first clue about building bikes.
 

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We have a guy at work who created his own motorcycle customizing company. He actually has a vinyl sticker with the company name and logo on the back window of his truck. In actuality, all he does is remove factory equipment and bolt on accessories. I told him that if it doesn't involve taking a sawzall and welder to a stock frame to cut or stretch it, or dropping an engine into a custom made aftermarket frame, it's not custom. He doesn't have the first clue about building bikes.
There are mods and there are customs.

Kind of like the Jets and the Sharks huh?
 

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Funny now i hear some folks saying they would like to build a bike with a "suicide clutch".
What the hell is that lol...
I know what a suicide clutch is. However, (a little before my time but it is a pet peeve of mine) I'm just glad they don't say "suicide shifter".

 

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Indian Scout line now has 2 bikes with traditional fenders (Scout and Scout 60) but 5 bikes that are bobbers (Bobber, Bobber 60, Bobber 20, Rogue, and Rogue 60).

The Chief line has 6 bikes that are all bobbers.

Can they introduce something new with full fenders for those of us that like Indians that look like Indians?
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We have a guy at work who created his own motorcycle customizing company. He actually has a vinyl sticker with the company name and logo on the back window of his truck. In actuality, all he does is remove factory equipment and bolt on accessories. I told him that if it doesn't involve taking a sawzall and welder to a stock frame to cut or stretch it, or dropping an engine into a custom made aftermarket frame, it's not custom. He doesn't have the first clue about building bikes.
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No angle grinder, no custom! Lol.
 

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I made that comment in jest. The R18 is a great bike but is not selling in any kind of volume. Which is great because I like riding something a little different. But in the rather small R18 community the common mod for anyone doing more than bolt-ons is a bobber conversion. BMW showed a factory bobber custom and threatens to one day made all the accessories available to duplicate it.
But I'm going to go in the direction of a modern classic look. I am machining some beach bars right now for internal wiring and I have a custom made swing seat being made by some craftsmen in Germany.
So even if I ever do run into that "horde" of R18s and by chance some of the owners have made some mods to their bikes, I will be one of the few to not head down that bobber path.

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Those bars look huge!
Nice to see real customization.
 

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Maybe just dry heave.

Removing the fenders does not make a bike a "custom build". Nearly every "custom" Chief, Scout, whatever is the same bike. Useless, fenderless ---
No offense to those who love the style.
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It is nice to see a builder REALLY show off a custom bike. He didn't name it. He fabricated a one-off classic custom --- like it or hate it, you gotta respect the work and the style he presents.

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Personally I prefer the first 2 bikes. I agree that bolt on is a different version of the word "custom" but it is still custom as there are far fewer of them that look that way. I literally changed everything but the frame and the engine on my bike. I am currently fabricating my own rear fender mount, brackets for decorative pieces, mounts for a hidden switch that controls my license plate, parts that needed to be milled to work on a metric, custom wheels, custom powder coating, custom seat, and fine details that will make my bike a one off. This guy did a belt to chain conversion, custom swingarm, custom 2 up seat with some fiberglass or sheet metal work? Some could say that is not custom enough either as some people fabricate their own frames and buy crate engines etc. At some point you are right but no matter how you slice it most people that see the first 2 would want to take pictures of them as the Indian Scout Bobber itself is a less seen bike out on the road. I see your point that some people think changing the grips makes it custom or removing fenders and calls it custom but I assure you the first 2 are Not just fender removals and there is more going on. @NYC-BOBBER
 
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Everyone’s got their own thing. Personally I never understood the concept of bobbers. Someone actually thought to themselves, “Hmm, what can I do to maximize rock chips and increase the chances of throwing a rock at my buddies behind me? Oh and if I could just figure out a way to really shoot water right up my back side on a wet road… what to do?”
Most of us have more than one thing! I like sports bikes and my FTR fills that niche. I like big cruisers. With old school looks of my Vintage fills that niche. I like older vintage motorcycles. My 77’ XS750-2D brings back memories and is still fun to ride. - AND - I like Bobber style bikes. My BBK Scout “hot rod” and Chief Bobber DH fill that niche.
 

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Maybe just dry heave.

Removing the fenders does not make a bike a "custom build". Nearly every "custom" Chief, Scout, whatever is the same bike. Useless, fenderless ---
No offense to those who love the style.

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this is my bike you posted a picture of lol and dam does she look sexy ! Here’s some more for ya lol

as @Frank White said , plenty more going on here than just a fender removal. I have about $15,000 into this machine from engine performance down to custom made wheels. Yea many might have the same look . It’s what they choose. and to call it not custom is a crazy thing to say.

However it’s your opinion you may call it whatever you like, criticize it as well , end of the day she’s mine & I love her . Receive compliments any where I go with this lady.

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Maybe just dry heave.

Removing the fenders does not make a bike a "custom build". Nearly every "custom" Chief, Scout, whatever is the same bike. Useless, fenderless ---
No offense to those who love the style.
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It is nice to see a builder REALLY show off a custom bike. He didn't name it. He fabricated a one-off classic custom --- like it or hate it, you gotta respect the work and the style he presents.

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More pictures in the article and some nice close ups.

Whaddya think?!?
It's a frankenbike
 

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Most of us have more than one thing! I like sports bikes and my FTR fills that niche. I like big cruisers. With old school looks of my Vintage fills that niche. I like older vintage motorcycles. My 77’ XS750-2D brings back memories and is still fun to ride. - AND - I like Bobber style bikes. My BBK Scout “hot rod” and Chief Bobber DH fill that niche.
Okay so I was harsh, bobbers look very cool. I’ve got a sport bike itch and a big giant classic cruiser itch. My roadmaster and my pan america really cover those bases. I also really wanted a scout bobber until I rode one. Maybe I’ve gotten soft!
 
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