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When I helped out at a friends Triumph/Guzzi shop, we'd refer to BMW's as Guzzis with saggy titties.
I see no reason to change that opinion 😁
So I’m not the only one that sees it. Especially when you throw in the transverse twin.
 
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Before buying my Indian,I too liked that Moto Guzzi ,especially the California Tourer model and was quite prepared to buy one,that is,until I road tested one,then another,then another,and then another,only to be disappointed in every single one I test rode!! Why?? Because every single one of em bucked like hell while trying to maintain speed and or under light throttle.And yes,THEY ALL DID IT!!Christ,if I had a certain part of my anadity in my hand,I would have ripped it off,that's how bad it was.And the standard answer from the dealerships was " THEY ALL DO THAT"!! Well since they all do that,Moto Guzzi can keep em.But the ride was excellent and the power more then adequate.But that bucking under light or steady throttle turned me right off,which is actually a shame cause,other then that bucking,that machine rode very well and had decent power.
 

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Before buying my Indian,I too liked that Moto Guzzi ,especially the California Tourer model and was quite prepared to buy one,that is,until I road tested one,then another,then another,and then another,only to be disappointed in every single one I test rode!! Why?? Because every single one of em bucked like hell while trying to maintain speed and or under light throttle.And yes,THEY ALL DID IT!!Christ,if I had a certain part of my anadity in my hand,I would have ripped it off,that's how bad it was.And the standard answer from the dealerships was " THEY ALL DO THAT"!! Well since they all do that,Moto Guzzi can keep em.But the ride was excellent and the power more then adequate.But that bucking under light or steady throttle turned me right off,which is actually a shame cause,other then that bucking,that machine rode very well and had decent power.
That’s just character! You have to understand guzzi to enjoy guzzi. Can’t imagine why they’re the only ones mounting up a transverse V twin! 🤪
 

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I like the looks of the R18 as a cruiser, but not so much as a tourer. I’m not sure why BMW introduced the R18 without an adjustable windshield. Also, for a touring bike, there needs to be some place to move your feet and leg position, IMO. I know BMW makes a leg plate that goes over the cylinder, but it’s not very attractive.
 

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That’s just character! You have to understand guzzi to enjoy guzzi. Can’t imagine why they’re the only ones mounting up a transverse V twin! 🤪
Character my a**!!! If your car,truck,or Indian ran like that,you'd either be camped out on that Dealerships door step,[with a gun in your hand,lol] dump it in a heart beat,or not have purchased it at all.And like I said: I road tested several of em and EVERY SINGLE ONE of em ran the same way which was totally unacceptable,especially,considering the price they were selling em for.And then, I've seen very few Guzzi's on the road since,and that's over a ten year period.But then again: maybe I'm gettin blind in my old age!!lol lol The ole fart,Dave!!! :)
 

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MilwDave: I love the look of your R18, but where do you put your feet?
It looks like the pegs are straight down from where the tank/seat meet with no way to change riding positions. Although I am only 6’ with a 33” inseam - I would miss the forward controls that I have grown used to on my Vintage, Chief and Scout.

That being said - I would gladly ride naked - sitting backward on a machine that cool!!
For reference I am 6’3” and I have a 34” inseam. I read all the reviews and assumed going in that I would just go for a test ride to see what it was all about. I couldn’t believe that I fit on it and the riding position was comfortable. A few months later I was driving to St Louis to pick one up.
I have the pegs and I find them more comfortable than the mini floorboards that BMW put on the B and C models. If you are convinced that the stretched out forward cruiser position is the only style you will be comfortable with this is not the bike for you.
But that being said I have a spinal fusion, a knee replacement and another bad knee. I test road an FTR while my wife’s bike was in for service and surprised myself that I fit and I was comfortable. I bought that bike a few months later as well. That experience opened up my eyes to the possibility that the traditional cruiser forward position wasn’t all I could live with.
The R18 is my stripped down around town bike and for that purpose it will serve me well. I still have the Roadmaster for touring and the FTR for the days I feel a little frisky.
Life is more interesting when you open yourself up to a little variety.
 

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MilwDave: Agreed …Variety is the spice of motorcycles!
Love my FTR, but I would never take it on a trip or ride it in town (too hot). But if you want to take a fast rip on backroads for a couple hours - the FTR is the right tool for the job. My Vintage is my road trip or take the wife for a Sunday ride bike. My Chief and Scout bobbers are my “bar hopper” - “around town” bikes. I’m still playing with the Scout. This winter it will be heavily modified. It will be my - don’t mess with me on your new Sportster S bike! My 1977 XS750 is the first bike I bought new when I was 18. I can’t bring myself to part with it.
 

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Honda had a liquid cooled transverse V-twin in it's old Silverwing and CX500 cruisers. There was even a turbocharged version. It later got bored out to be a 650 before they pulled the model.
 

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If the "Vintage look" is what you are after, why not the Springfield? As far as looks, they are almost identical, except the obvious hard bags instead of leather bags. It looks more like the Vintage than the R18. Just curious.
 

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Having had more Moto Guzzi's than any other bike and an Eldorado recently until I went down on it I can say that the 1400 Guzzi motor is excellent! It has more than enough power and revs higher than the Indian (air cooled motor) and really gets going. I had to tame the throttle jerkiness down by using a Boosterplug which worked quite well on the single throttle body. I went on several long distance trips and did some mods to it but the long cardan shaft bikes and the geometry of the rear shocks puts a real dent in my bad back. It handles very well for a long wheelbase bike and the brakes are excellent (although not linked like previous Guzzi's). I put it into "Turismo" mode as the Veloce mode (sport) mode was just over the top. Because the 1400 motor does not comply with Euro 5 it is no longer in production. You need to be a mechanic and know something about the maintenance of a bike in order to own a Guzzi. Some of the most knowledgeable people I know are Guzzi dudes. And because a lot of the dealers are far and wide you have to do your own servicing. I have two vintage Guzzi's similar to CHP models of the early 70's and here in SoCal we have 2 of the best restoration shops in the country for the early ones that have the V-Twin. But I bought an Indian 2022 Super Chief Ltd. and I really like it. It is relatively simple and no fuss no muss!
 

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Honda had a liquid cooled transverse V-twin in it's old Silverwing and CX500 cruisers. There was even a turbocharged version. It later got bored out to be a 650 before they pulled the model.
In 1982,my wife bought a brand new Silverwing Interstate,[500CC] but only rode it for a couple years cause it was just too top heavy for her [being as it had the same fairing as the Gold Wings had] which is what made it too top heavy. for her.So we sold it and that was the last time she rode a two wheeler.Then I had to cart her around on the back on my 83 Venture!! DUH!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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