[DeltaTango]

I'm thinking of installing Lloyds 585 cams on my 2016 RM. Their website recommends the High lift Valve Springs and Valve Seals. The most recent post I've seen on this is from 2018. Has anyone installed this kit recently? If so did you have any problems afterwords?

 

[cmoalem]

I did not install 585s and high lift springs n seals recently ... more than a year back.

BUT I have a problem since then:
I cannot transform back from Mr. Hyde to Dr. Jekyll anymore

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[DeltaTango]

Do you think the improvement you had with the 585's worth the cost? Did you replace the clutch with a heavy duty?
Thanks,

 

[cmoalem]

Do you think the improvement you had with the 585's worth the cost? Did you replace the clutch with a heavy duty?
Thanks,

Yes, had to upgrade the clutch. Slipping at will in 6th ...
I put the Barnett Extra kit in.

Worth it? YES ... baddest 111 around. Smoking 110 CVOs (with stage 1 and tune) and easily keeping up with 114 M8s with stage 1 and with TS116 factory setups. (still my top speed is limiter disabled ... so passing them eventually)

TS111 in stage 1 and stage 2 config have no chance.

Only minor (in my ears) downside: You can hear "a big cam valve train" at idle.
While riding no abnormal noise (too busy with enjoying anyway).

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[Axxehead]

I personally really like my 585's. Was there work or other modifications involved, yeah there is. If your 111 is a 2018 and OLDER then high lift valve springs is pretty much mandatory on any cam change other than Indians mild stage 2 cams.
Lot to read but tons of good info here.

Valve Spring ?'s
LLoydz valve installation tools-any good?
An analysis of TS111 valve springs and related valve...

 

[DeltaTango]

Would the Indian Heavy Duty Clutch be okay with the 585's vs the Barnett HD?

 

[cmoalem]

Would the Indian Heavy Duty Clutch be okay with the 585's vs the Barnett HD?

I think so ... Indian came out with it to complement the 116 builds.

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[55loren]

Did my valve springs a month ago. Have 558 cams now. Will be changing cams to 585’s next week. I will be installing Vtwins heavy clutch springs to help the clutch from slipping.

 

[DeltaTango]

I'm not a mechanic so next question is: When installing the 585 cams, does the installation of the high lift springs and valve seats require significantly more time to do?
The dealer told me that the installation of the Indian Stage 2 cams is a 2 hour job which they don't replace the valve springs/Valve seals.

 

[cmoalem]

I'm not a mechanic so next question is: When installing the 585 cams, does the installation of the high lift springs and valve seats require significantly more time to do?
The dealer told me that the installation of the Indian Stage 2 cams is a 2 hour job which they don't replace the valve springs/Valve seals.

yes ... upgrading the valve springs "per the book" requires dropping the engine and removal of the heads.
~8 hours more. (plus head haskets!)

BUT ... there is a smarter way which will only cost you "only" ~4hours more labour:
tilting the engine slightly forward and putting the valves under pressure (to not drop down) either by air or by synthetic rope filling the combustion chamber. with the right springtool the valvesprings can then be replaced with minimal invasive operation .


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[DeltaTango]

Ouch! Thanks for the info. Not sure I want to spring for that much labor at $135.00 per hour.