Dr D, 1st post to a mutual interest forum & I’m already spanked.. Despite a handful of trusted friends/riders that’s why I don’t group ride or frequent these places despite some intelligent offerings here that are interesting. I refer you back to the final 2 sentences of my OP & add that it’s not how fast you can go but how far you can go fast. Ever doubled the speed limit & added 10pm? In the mountains? Ever been over 180mph multiple times? Do you have all 50 states, 3/4 of Canada & a bit of Mx? 95% alone w/o gps at any time? How many 1000 in 1’s ya got? Just curious.
LLoyd’s tune for the 22’ super Chief Ltd.
Well I am finally going to get the fuel pump and kickstand recall taken care of. I just found out that the Indian dealer that is about an hour away is a Loydz remote tune shop. So I am going to have them do the tune to my bike. I have the Freedom exhaust and the Indian round high flow intake. The bike is running lean as I have decel popping which is absolutely annoying. I hope this solves that issue as it is the only choice I have. It is kinda expensive so I hopes this works. Anyone else run into this issue and did the tune solve or drastically reduce the popping?
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The answer to your questions is no on most. I hope you understand that I thought it was a very strong first post and possible not you best way to enter this forum. If you are not a troll i apologize. I have learned there is a proper etiquette for online forums and if you don’t honor that it just looks bad. Enjoy the roads fellow rider.Dr D, 1st post to a mutual interest forum & I’m already spanked.. Despite a handful of trusted friends/riders that’s why I don’t group ride or frequent these places despite some intelligent offerings here that are interesting. I refer you back to the final 2 sentences of my OP & add that it’s not how fast you can go but how far you can go fast. Ever doubled the speed limit & added 10pm? In the mountains? Ever been over 180mph multiple times? Do you have all 50 states, 3/4 of Canada & a bit of Mx? 95% alone w/o gps at any time? How many 1000 in 1’s ya got? Just curious.
Thank you Dr D for your reply. I’m low tech so I apologize for cannon balling into this forum. Sport/sport toured most of my 59 yrs riding but living in ”the home of the newly wed & nearly dead”(Fl, the worse state to ride a m/c in despite yr round capability imo) I soon realized it’s more scooter/cruiser friendly so went through a few HD’’s but not wanting to wear the costume, strike the pose or be identified with the noise I acquired a Chief Vintage a couple yrs ago. However’ at 72 w/dble hernia, hip replacements & cataract surgeries I decided to downside. Acquired a Super Chief Ltd a week ago. It’s over 100#’‘s lighter, 3” shorter so I can pop it off the side stand & I love the 116. It pulls strong & long.The answer to your questions is no on most. I hope you understand that I thought it was a very strong first post and possible not you best way to enter this forum. If you are not a troll i apologize. I have learned there is a proper etiquette for online forums and if you don’t honor that it just looks bad. Enjoy the roads fellow rider.
I hope you safely enjoy the roads as well. Thks again.
I got my bike back to day riding it home I still had a little decel pop here and there. I would say it is 80% better the popping that does occur is a much lower tone and not nearly as many may be two pops vs like six louder ones.
I might check the torque on the header nuts to the cylinders.
Do I think it is worth it? Right nowI would say yes.
The weather here is getting better and next week looks promising for rides to work. I will do more of a thorough notation of the decel popping. It looks like Barron58 was correct about the engine shutting down when throttle is retarded. But is is much better and not as frequent or loud.
I might check the torque on the header nuts to the cylinders.
Do I think it is worth it? Right nowI would say yes.
The weather here is getting better and next week looks promising for rides to work. I will do more of a thorough notation of the decel popping. It looks like Barron58 was correct about the engine shutting down when throttle is retarded. But is is much better and not as frequent or loud.
Yea, Lloyds told me they couldn't help the the pops but the bike would run better.
The pops are caused by my short FP headers.
The pops are caused by my short FP headers.
There's always room for improvement. Some more than others. All over the performance industry from bikes to trucks have people argued with the modern R&D involved that the aftermarket doesn't reap the gains worth the price. I'm old enough to think nothing is worth the price of what some are asking for these days, but that's another topic in itself.
Tune is where it's at for me. Peak numbers is not the whole story. Years ago I remember tuning a bike that made 1 less whp at peak and the customer was not happy. Shop owner told them to ride the bike home, and call us when he got there. Guy called back apologizing and even mentioned he swore we put a new motor in it.
The name of the game is what works well with what. And one's expectations to results is subjective. No 1 right answer when it comes to the street.
Tune is where it's at for me. Peak numbers is not the whole story. Years ago I remember tuning a bike that made 1 less whp at peak and the customer was not happy. Shop owner told them to ride the bike home, and call us when he got there. Guy called back apologizing and even mentioned he swore we put a new motor in it.
The name of the game is what works well with what. And one's expectations to results is subjective. No 1 right answer when it comes to the street.
Ok I had a good amount of riding today. What I have noticed during my ride with a lot of throttle on and off that the popping is still there I think it might have cleared up 20% but I can definitely feel the power more at the mid and top end I definitely got up to 90 mph in a blink of an eye from 50 mph. Still happy with the tune but a little let down about the popping but I can live with it as I really like the look and sound of the Freedom exhaust
Ok I had a good amount of riding today. What I have noticed during my ride with a lot of throttle on and off that the popping is still there I think it might have cleared up 20% but I can definitely feel the power more at the mid and top end I definitely got up to 90 mph in a blink of an eye from 50 mph. Still happy with the tune but a little let down about the popping but I can live with it as I really like the look and sound of the Freedom exhaust
Yep, with a Fuel cut system in the ECU, you will never get rid of decel popping with open exhaust.
I had zero popping in my 15 Chief with FP fishtails. I have excessive popping on my 23 with FP short pipes. It’s the short length that causes the popping. Not a so called open exhaust.
I just replaced the stock NGK spark plugs P/N DCPR8E with the NGK iridium P/N DCPR8EIX. It actually help a bit on the popping it tame it down a little and the bike actually runs a bit better. Worth the $20 for two.
While having my son-in-law’s Chief Bobber DH in for the fuel pump recall yesterday we also added a Lloyd’z RTC-V1 tune. This machine runs a stock 116 engine with a Indian Stage 1 Forward Facing Intake and Dean Speed slip on exhaust. The technician calls Ryan at Lloyd’z in Utah, tells him what the engine configuration is and what intake and exhaust upgrades have been made if any. The ECU is pulling from the bike, connected to the computer and Ryan does his thing! It takes 1 hour. The cost is $599 plus 1 hour labor ( $115) and PA sales tax.
The tune absolutely woke this Chief up. The increase in power and torque is obvious. Throttle response is improved and although there is still some deceleration popping it is very acceptable. Well worth the $750 in my opinion.
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The tune absolutely woke this Chief up. The increase in power and torque is obvious. Throttle response is improved and although there is still some deceleration popping it is very acceptable. Well worth the $750 in my opinion.
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I agree it definitely has more spunk!!!
I'm not sure you can do that on the newer, 22/23 chiefs. To install the cams requires a throttle body change, which requires more air and that leads to a stage one air upgrade.Id be interested to see Stock Air intake and exhaust with Cams vs modified air intake and slipons/Full exhaust with cams dyno sheet
Throttle body change? Where'd you get that info from?I'm not sure you can do that on the newer, 22/23 chiefs. To install the cams requires a throttle body change, which requires more air and that leads to a stage one air upgrade.
The Stage Two Cams kit for the 116 includes a larger throttle body and injectors with the cams. Lists for about $850 or so.
From Indian. I have not researched Lloyd'z to see if they have the same requirements or not. https://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en...ke-cams-engine-components/2884323/?pfm=SearchThrottle body change? Where'd you get that info from?
Interesting. Just did a 131 on a buddies Sport Chief and I don't recall anything mentioned about a new TB for that. Of all things that would need a bigger TB.From Indian. I have not researched Lloyd'z to see if they have the same requirements or not. Thunderstroke 116 Performance Kit | Indian Motorcycle
Reviewing that link, it says it isn't compliant to all of the Chiefs that come standard with the 116. Maybe because it already has it?
Edit: Well apparently for the Chief it's a different kit, cause I just found the Stage 2 kit for Chief's and yer right, does come with TB.
You did an entire 131 build, or you put a stage two in an existing 131? I would imagine a 131 build would include a larger TB and the injectors that go with it in order to get the max performance out of it from the start?
This is the reason that you have to do a stage 1 air intake prior to using this Indian stage 2 kit, so it can accommodate the larger TB and the new injectors.
As for the kit not being compliant on all of the Chiefs, that is for use in California.
The kit is designed to fit:
2023, 2020-2021 Chieftain Elite
2023 Super Chief Limited Icon
2023 Sport Chief
2022-2023 Super Chief Limited
2022-2023 Chieftain Dark Horse Icon
2022-2023 Chief Dark Horse
2022-2023 Chief Bobber Dark Horse
2022 Chief Bobber
2021-2023 Roadmaster Limited
2021 Indian Springfield Dark Horse
2020-2023 Roadmaster Dark Horse
2020-2023 Roadmaster
2020-2023 Chieftain Limited
2020-2023 Chieftain Dark Horse
2020 Springfield Dark Horse
2020 Roadmaster Elite
2020 Chieftain
This is the reason that you have to do a stage 1 air intake prior to using this Indian stage 2 kit, so it can accommodate the larger TB and the new injectors.
As for the kit not being compliant on all of the Chiefs, that is for use in California.
The kit is designed to fit:
2023, 2020-2021 Chieftain Elite
2023 Super Chief Limited Icon
2023 Sport Chief
2022-2023 Super Chief Limited
2022-2023 Chieftain Dark Horse Icon
2022-2023 Chief Dark Horse
2022-2023 Chief Bobber Dark Horse
2022 Chief Bobber
2021-2023 Roadmaster Limited
2021 Indian Springfield Dark Horse
2020-2023 Roadmaster Dark Horse
2020-2023 Roadmaster
2020-2023 Chieftain Limited
2020-2023 Chieftain Dark Horse
2020 Springfield Dark Horse
2020 Roadmaster Elite
2020 Chieftain
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