Wow, I have a 23 Chief ABS with Indian Stage 1 intake and FP 2 into 2 shorty exhaust. Same setup as you!! I was thinking about a Lloyds tune. I have an authorized dealer 1 hour away. I have lots of popping. I called Lloyds and they said their tune would make my Chief run much better but the popping is caused my the FP exhaust and their tune will not eliminate it. I am still considering it. Dealer said about $500.00 plus 1.5 hours shop time. Expensive. Keep me updated please.
LLoyd’s tune for the 22’ super Chief Ltd.
Well I am finally going to get the fuel pump and kickstand recall taken care of. I just found out that the Indian dealer that is about an hour away is a Loydz remote tune shop. So I am going to have them do the tune to my bike. I have the Freedom exhaust and the Indian round high flow intake. The bike is running lean as I have decel popping which is absolutely annoying. I hope this solves that issue as it is the only choice I have. It is kinda expensive so I hopes this works. Anyone else run into this issue and did the tune solve or drastically reduce the popping?
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Well I am finally going to get the fuel pump and kickstand recall taken care of. I just found out that the Indian dealer that is about an hour away is a Loydz remote tune shop. So I am going to have them do the tune to my bike. I have the Freedom exhaust and the Indian round high flow intake. The bike is running lean as I have decel popping which is absolutely annoying. I hope this solves that issue as it is the only choice I have. It is kinda expensive so I hopes this works. Anyone else run into this issue and did the tune solve or drastically reduce the popping?
Decel, popping is standard on all bikes. With stock exhaust and CAT's is silenced quite a bit.
Decel popping is caused by "Fuel Cut" On modern vehicles, cars motorcycles etc. When the throttle is released, the fuel injectors are shut down completely and only turned back on again when the throttle is applied, or at a predetermined rpm when the throttle is at idle.
The popping is caused by the excessively lean condition when fuel cut is employed causing the unburned fuel downstream to ignite and pop.
The tuners cannot disable fuel cut. With a custom tune, you will actually likely have worse popping with those exhaust.
Decel, popping is standard on all bikes. With stock exhaust and CAT's is silenced quite a bit.
Decel popping is caused by "Fuel Cut" On modern vehicles, cars motorcycles etc. When the throttle is released, the fuel injectors are shut down completely and only turned back on again when the throttle is applied, or at a predetermined rpm when the throttle is at idle.
The popping is caused by the excessively lean condition when fuel cut is employed causing the unburned fuel downstream to ignite and pop.
The tuners cannot disable fuel cut. With a custom tune, you will actually likely have worse popping with those exhaust.
So you are saying that there is no fuel going to the cylinders when the throttle is brought to idle quickly and or the fuel comes on at a predetermined rpm? So theoretically if I was running at 4K rpm and it was set at a predetermined rpm say 1K rpm that the engine would be essentially off for that 3K drop?
So you are saying that there is no fuel going to the cylinders when the throttle is brought to idle quickly and or the fuel comes on at a predetermined rpm? So theoretically if I was running at 4K rpm and it was set at a predetermined rpm say 1K rpm that the engine would be essentially off for that 3K drop?
Yes absolutely.
On the earlier 111/116 bikes Indian didn't turn the injectors back on until 1000-1100 RPM at idle throttle, so when people were coasting to a stop in gear, when the RPM hit 1000, the injectors would kick on and the bike would surge and jump. It was a huge complaint, even on the FTR'.
With the PV3 we could set the RPM lower to about 800 which by that time most pulled the clutch in.
But yes, every time your throttle goes to idle, the injectors are shut off. They set a preset delay, so the injectors won't shut down during shifting unless you leave the throttle at idle for a pre
set time.
On the older piggyback Dynojet tuners, Cobra, Tier 1, etc. Those units you could set them so at idle throttle, the units would keep the injectors on so you wouldn't get that fuel cut issue and popping.
Well I never stop learning!! Been wrenching professionally for more than 30 years (aircraft) and always learn something new. I think I am going to still go through with it. And report about it.
Yep Fuel cut is a EPA mandate to reduce unburned fuel emissions.Well I never stop learning!! Been wrenching professionally for more than 30 years (aircraft) and always learn something new. I think I am going to still go through with it. And report about it.
I had a 15 Chief with FP exhaust and Indian Stage 1 intake. Zero pops. Zero. The difference here is my new Indian has the shorter FP's. So I wouldn't say all bikes have decel pops. In fact I currently get decel pops and pops in-between shifts.Decel, popping is standard on all bikes. With stock exhaust and CAT's is silenced quite a bit.
Decel popping is caused by "Fuel Cut" On modern vehicles, cars motorcycles etc. When the throttle is released, the fuel injectors are shut down completely and only turned back on again when the throttle is applied, or at a predetermined rpm when the throttle is at idle.
The popping is caused by the excessively lean condition when fuel cut is employed causing the unburned fuel downstream to ignite and pop.
The tuners cannot disable fuel cut. With a custom tune, you will actually likely have worse popping with those exhaust.
Zero popping with Stage 1 intake, unplugged mufflers and de-catted. PV3 and FM tune. Dealer tech thought it was one of the best running 111's he's ridden. 2017 Chieftain Limited. 40K miles. I can't stand popping!
I have a PV3 fuel Moto tune on my scout with a zippers intake and V&H slip on’s no popping either. But unfortunately Fuel Moto does not do a tune on the newer Chiefs as I understand it has a different ECU. What Barron58 was saying makes sense about fuel cut off but it has to be able to get better. I cannot stand the popping. I don’t want to get accused of a drive by shooting or get retaliated against if someone thinks that’s what it is!!!😜😜😜Zero popping with Stage 1 intake, unplugged mufflers and de-catted. PV3 and FM tune. Dealer tech thought it was one of the best running 111's he's ridden. 2017 Chieftain Limited. 40K miles. I can't stand popping!
Running a Lloyd’z RTC-V1 tune on my Stage 2 Chief Bobber DH. I couldn’t be more pleased. Worth ever penny of the $650 cost…
That's one nice Chief!! I almost bought that seat but chickened out for a Corbin.View attachment 738714 I don’t have the two into one but I will definitely keep you posted
thanks I was on the fence about it but it is actually more comfortable than it looksThat's one nice Chief!! I almost bought that seat but chickened out for a Corbin.
So my appointment is May 4 and will pick it up the 6th I will post my thoughts about the ride home (about 50 miles)
Just an update, I drop the bike off at the dealer’s yesterday for the Loyd’s tune and the fuel pump/ kickstand recalls. Should have a report next Saturday when I pick it up.
I’m interested in the results, so following. Nice bike BTW.
It has always interested me no matter the manufacturer, how the emissions/exhaust designers have consistently failed to design an efficient/attractive system and leave it up to the owner to spend $500-$1200/$2000 for a system that then has to be “tuned” to eliminate the problems the aftermarket system creates and often leaves an owner with a system that “I can live with” Primarily to create more noise & less weight giving the owner & listeners the perception that they’re going faster than the oem system allows. The reality is that the owner can’t use current m/c‘s stock performance capabilities let alone any increase in performance.
Generally, most all performance mods increase the speed at which one day you may eventually crash..
Generally, most all performance mods increase the speed at which one day you may eventually crash..
Exhaust isn’t a performance mod. Honestly either is an air intake. They are for looks and sound.
It has always interested me no matter the manufacturer, how the emissions/exhaust designers have consistently failed to design an efficient/attractive system and leave it up to the owner to spend $500-$1200/$2000 for a system that then has to be “tuned” to eliminate the problems the aftermarket system creates and often leaves an owner with a system that “I can live with” Primarily to create more noise & less weight giving the owner & listeners the perception that they’re going faster than the oem system allows. The reality is that the owner can’t use current m/c‘s stock performance capabilities let alone any increase in performance.
Generally, most all performance mods increase the speed at which one day you may eventually crash..
Stock intake and exhaust are the best you can do. After market performance products are all hype and placebo. Mostly for looks and sound.
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