From motorcycle.com ..... And the winner is:
I wasn't surprised at all.12460 said:Cool, I was a little surprised by some of the results though. For example Harley winning in the engine department while Indian took the appearance and desirability categories? While I'm not saying the writers were wrong, it sure does buck the commonly accepted reputations Indian and HD have.
Exactly, my bet is the Indian will kill the HD. The power delivery on the Indians was excellent when I rode them other than the fact they flat fall on their face after 4500 rpm. I was somewhat surprised Polaris didn't do a bit better on this with a clean sheet new engine even though it's typical of a 2 valve pushrod design.4028 said:I wasn't surprised at all.
Every staff motorcycle reviewer from a company that benefits from HDs marketing will absolutely favor HD in any way they can. They will use subjective terms, and whenever possible they will compare a single number to their advantage instead of taking that number in context.
Polaris should take the same two bikes to the track and just quarter mile them, then switch riders and do it again.
Keeping in mind how many on here believe Government regulations are sent from the Devil, I have always been convinced that product comparisons should be required to be done by independent reviewers.
Ever since I was a kid and heard that, '4 out of 5 dentists surveyed prefer XXXX' I have thought, what a load of nonsense.
When anyone buy HD wins a side by side publicly, even when the bias pretends it was a close race, it should be considered a SlamDunk Victory.
Yes... the grand justifications...4902 said:What will (maybe) be entertaining to see from this is if the same cheerleaders who for years now when compared to Victory have said, 'it's a cruiser, it's not about horsepower. If you don't ride a Harley you just won't inderstand.' I wonder if now compared to Indian they'll start bragging about Harley being more powerful?
Sorry, I don't drag race ( even as a patron). I would have thought a real 1/4 mile test would handicap the HD with weights.692 said:In the Cycle World comparison the HD beat the Indian in the 1/4 mile. The HD is lighter and makes more HP... it will be quicker in a drag race...
However... in top gear roll-ons the Indian was 1.6 to 1.9 seconds quicker than the HD. This is EXACTLY what the designers were trying to do. Bottom end grunt and passing authority. The dyno comparison bears this out. 'USE THE TORQUE, LUKE!'
It's not to keep the advertisers pleased it's to keep the readers pleased. Rip on a guys bike and he won't subscribe to your mag. Then no subscribers = no advertising. Buy one of these mags and count the ads, Harley will account for about 2-3% of the ad space sold, if that.19853 said:e.
They gave the Harley the benifit of the doubt in every catagory they could to keep the advertising revenue stream coming in and the Indian still managed to top the Harley. Either way for the comparison to be so close says a lot for Indian producing a complete new bike in 27 months.
Toke up Dudes!
The last Street Glide I rode felt very light and nimble. Didn't seem to hold a line in hard cornering well, but that was also an 08 model before the new frame. In any event turn in was light and the brakes were adequate. The Chieftain I demo'd had mushy brakes, twitchy clutch and a couple times I thought the throttle by wire had a lag. Nothing I thought couldn't be fixed with a clutch adjustment, better brake pads, and getting used to the throttle. But, If the 2014 Street Glide has the improved 09 frame and improved brakes I could see handling and brakes going to the Harley. I thought the Indian's power delivery was much better, but again that's comparing it to an 08, not a 14 which has the 103 with a new intake and new cams. If I were choosing between the two for 24k each I'd pick the Indian but in reality if I were buying a bagger today for 24k I'd have a Cross Country 8-Ball with a 110' from The Vic Shop that would blow them both away. Let's compare two baggers with about 100-110 ft-lbs of torque and 75 horsepower to a bagger with 125 ft-lbs of torque and 135 hp! Bonus I'd still have 2-3k left in my checking account for a one of a kind custom paint job.19853 said:OK guys I'll retract my Revenue statement, you're probably right about keeping their readers happy. So that being said I'll say they we're biased to keep the biggest majority of their readers happy, Harley riders.
I'm not crying foul but if any of you have ridden both bikes I can't see how you could give the Harley an avantage in power, handling, brakes, lean angle or comfort (heat/vibration). Everything is subjective and we all have our own opinions, I just don't agree with theirs.