Indian has stage one and stage two flashes. For example, on the stage one air cleaner, it comes in the box. On items like cams the dealer just uploads them.
Indian new ECU encryption preventing tunes on 2023 models hmmmm
Just saw this posted on RVS performance website.
** We have temporarily stopped tuning 2023 models due to a recent encryption update done by Indian (Feb of 23) that has blocked access to some ECUs. Until we can identify which ones and get past it we do not want you to waste time and money shipping your ECU in case it cannot be done. Sorry for any inconvenience and we will update as soon as we are 100% sure we have access to all of the 2023 ECUs.
** We have temporarily stopped tuning 2023 models due to a recent encryption update done by Indian (Feb of 23) that has blocked access to some ECUs. Until we can identify which ones and get past it we do not want you to waste time and money shipping your ECU in case it cannot be done. Sorry for any inconvenience and we will update as soon as we are 100% sure we have access to all of the 2023 ECUs.
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Indian Stage 2 (cams) has tunes from IndianI thought the tune on a stage 2 is lloyds am I wrong it somes from polaris
The Indian tunes are usually milder than the aftermarket ones. Reason being that they are suposedly EPA compliant, at least for 49 states anyhow.
has lloyds cracked the encrption to get back to tuning yet
I have a 23 chief and my local dealer said they can do the Lloyd’s tune. Apparently there are Indian dealers that are certified to do Lloyd’s tunes online. The cost you ask? $599.00 plus 1 hour labor.
I have a 23 chief and my local dealer said they can do the Lloyd’s tune. Apparently there are Indian dealers that are certified to do Lloyd’s tunes online. The cost you ask? $599.00 plus 1 hour labor.
The dealer does not. tune the bike. They connect the bike to a computer and Lloyds logs in and changes files on the ECU remotely via the internet.
In February 2023 Indian changed the encryption on the ECU software at least on the Challenger and Pursuits. This made tuning the ECU impossible until they figure out a way around it.
as of monday lloydz wasnt able to do challenger or pursuits the other 23 models arent an issue. Ryan did say that soon they would be in the challenger pursuit ecm.
They will figure out how to unlock them just like they did with cars.The dealer does not. tune the bike. They connect the bike to a computer and Lloyds logs in and changes files on the ECU remotely via the internet.
In February 2023 Indian changed the encryption on the ECU software at least on the Challenger and Pursuits. This made tuning the ECU impossible until they figure out a way around it.
have not even got the bike built yet but sounds like these 108s need the tune asap. I am getting it at st paul indian luckly they have lloyds garage attached
have not even got the bike built yet but sounds like these 108s need the tune asap. I am getting it at st paul indian luckly they have lloyds garage attached
Actually, the stock tune is just fine. The last tune they did in summer of 2022 (Indian) bikes runs great. Only reason to get a newer bike tune is to get rid of the speed limiter.
One thing moving forward to not look forward to. It's obvious Indian will be making it difficult to impossible to alter ECUs moving forward. And let's say the "tuners" figure out a new hack to get in to them. Well then, a new encryption will come out, and when the bike goes to the dealer for service, the new tune is loaded and bam, your hosed, because now you have to wait months or a year for the tuners to find a new way around that tune. And this will continue. The real issue is if you get cams (Lloydz) and this happens, you may not be even able to run the bike.
It took the tuners almost 2 years to find a way around the ECU in the first place.
It took the tuners almost 2 years to find a way around the ECU in the first place.
That isn't what happened with Dodge Challengers. Originally the ECM's were open then they locked them. Your option then was buy an unlocked ECM or have yours unlocked. I did the ladder. You could unlock every year. The issue of factory warranty comes in however. If you unlock your ECM, the dealer knows it and will likely deny warranty repairs for any motor related issues.One thing moving forward to not look forward to. It's obvious Indian will be making it difficult to impossible to alter ECUs moving forward. And let's say the "tuners" figure out a new hack to get in to them. Well then, a new encryption will come out, and when the bike goes to the dealer for service, the new tune is loaded and bam, your hosed, because now you have to wait months or a year for the tuners to find a new way around that tune. And this will continue. The real issue is if you get cams (Lloydz) and this happens, you may not be even able to run the bike.
It took the tuners almost 2 years to find a way around the ECU in the first place.
That isn't what happened with Dodge Challengers. Originally the ECM's were open then they locked them. Your option then was buy an unlocked ECM or have yours unlocked. I did the ladder. You could unlock every year. The issue of factory warranty comes in however. If you unlock your ECM, the dealer knows it and will likely deny warranty repairs for any motor related issues.
In the past 2 years things have changed. The EPA is fully aware of the tuning that's going on, so now they are forcing OEMS to lock them down. Most of the encryption they use is basic. But now they are going the 128-bit encryption route which is almost impossible to crack.
The issue people will run into, is if they have their ECU hacked, they won't want to take it to the dealer for service, which means they may not be able to get their resolution or problem fixed.
Yeah, I know in the diesel world the encryption has gotten really bad. About the only thing going on there are places where you can send your ECUs in and then will physically bypass the security on them "for racing purposes only" to modify the tunes. The time is getting short on all this. The EPA hammered Harley pretty good and I'm afraid it is only a matter of time before they go after companies like Dynajet. Lloyds and others that do custom mapping will either go underground or get out of the tuning business altogether which will kill the aftermarket cam business. DeanIn the past 2 years things have changed. The EPA is fully aware of the tuning that's going on, so now they are forcing OEMS to lock them down. Most of the encryption they use is basic. But now they are going the 128-bit encryption route which is almost impossible to crack.
The issue people will run into, is if they have their ECU hacked, they won't want to take it to the dealer for service, which means they may not be able to get their resolution or problem fixed.
I'm not worried about it in my lifetime. This never slowed down the high performance automobile accessories industry. As I said, it's just an issue of factory warranty. My Challenger was a 17 and I waited for the 5 year warranty to run out and sent out my ECM for unlocking. Something I don't understand about Indian tunes. If I go to a certified Lloyd's Indian Dealership, they will remote tune my bike for $599.00 plus 1 hour labor. That's ridicules. A dyno on my car was $700.00.
@IndianFastest When there’s only about four companies in the world offering a tune for Indian Challengers, that’s not a lot of competition to drive down prices.
Yea, that's true. That and everything for motorcycles is silly expensive.@IndianFastest When there’s only about four companies in the world offering a tune for Indian Challengers, that’s not a lot of competition to drive down prices.
Just talked to lloyds garage guy they said they will be up and running soon there tune is passing epa standard
Just talked to lloyds garage guy they said they will be up and running soon there tune is passing epa standard
Are you saying they are trying to get EPA approval for the tune?
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