Just checked DynoJet’s website. Their Challenger bench flash isn’t offered for the ‘23 model either.
Indian new ECU encryption preventing tunes on 2023 models hmmmm
Just saw this posted on RVS performance website.
** We have temporarily stopped tuning 2023 models due to a recent encryption update done by Indian (Feb of 23) that has blocked access to some ECUs. Until we can identify which ones and get past it we do not want you to waste time and money shipping your ECU in case it cannot be done. Sorry for any inconvenience and we will update as soon as we are 100% sure we have access to all of the 2023 ECUs.
** We have temporarily stopped tuning 2023 models due to a recent encryption update done by Indian (Feb of 23) that has blocked access to some ECUs. Until we can identify which ones and get past it we do not want you to waste time and money shipping your ECU in case it cannot be done. Sorry for any inconvenience and we will update as soon as we are 100% sure we have access to all of the 2023 ECUs.
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It'll only be a matter of time until it's cracked. A little 'Patience' is the keyword here.
Land Rover produced a new flash a few years ago and applied it retrospectively as a recall, even vehicles that had been tuned lost their flashes and couldn't reinstall them. It caused uproar and took three months for it to be cracked.
Land Rover produced a new flash a few years ago and applied it retrospectively as a recall, even vehicles that had been tuned lost their flashes and couldn't reinstall them. It caused uproar and took three months for it to be cracked.
i had mentioned this in another post, I actually sent mine to RVS and it was one that is encrypted and is one that caused this to go up on there website. not happy about it at all but not alot i can do about it. talked to my dealer yesterday about doing the bench tune told him about it and he hasnt heard of it was gonna reach out to lloydz and see what they have to say.
It'll only be a matter of time until it's cracked. A little 'Patience' is the keyword here.
Land Rover produced a new flash a few years ago and applied it retrospectively as a recall, even vehicles that had been tuned lost their flashes and couldn't reinstall them. It caused uproar and took three months for it to be cracked.
Maybe, maybe not. The EPA is putting pressure on manufactures to lock down ECU's. Prior to this, the new Bosch ECU wasn't encrypted, thus the access to it. But now, we might see tunes disappear into underground pirates. You can also say goodby to Lloyds cams as well if they are unable to crack it, which prove difficult.
What is happening throughout the industry. Companies have been sued because of fatal accidents caused by riders disabling speed limiters and racing their bikes. Yes, the operator's fault, but in a court of law anything goes. So, manufactures are going to make it very difficult to crack ECU's. This also means performance shops, will most likely turn away from participating in this.
Given enough time, we humans will have painted ourselves into a "No Fun Allowed" zone. Many of us will blame government regulators for all the silly rules and regulations, and certainly they will deserve a lot of the blame, but the people in the mirror will mostly be responsible. Take your vehicle, disable all the safety devices and gadgets, ignore all the suggested limits, violate maximums and minimums then run off the road into a tree, survive and then sue the company because the safety stuff didn't keep you safe.
It wouldn't surprise me if the code is cracked and accessed by a 3rd party device, Polaris will be able to see that history and could dispute warranty work. Dodge does this now.
Given enough time, we humans will have painted ourselves into a "No Fun Allowed" zone. Many of us will blame government regulators for all the silly rules and regulations, and certainly they will deserve a lot of the blame, but the people in the mirror will mostly be responsible. Take your vehicle, disable all the safety devices and gadgets, ignore all the suggested limits, violate maximums and minimums then run off the road into a tree, survive and then sue the company because the safety stuff didn't keep you safe.
Pretty much
Makes me wonder why IM went with different encryption on the ‘23 Challenger’s ECM? Was that move initiated by IM or Bosch?
Makes me wonder why IM went with different encryption on the ‘23 Challenger’s ECM? Was that move initiated by IM or Bosch?
Indian is fully aware of Lloydz, RVS, mad Money and others manipulating the files on the ECU for tunes as there are tons of discussions on social; media about it, where Indian frequently visits. So not surprised at all if Indian was making it harder to manipulate the files. The reason for it, is unlike the PV3/PVCX units that actually loaded a new tune, the current new ECU, still has the stock tune, but just with the files changed. So, the dealership has no way to tell with digital wrench that the tune has been altered. This being the case, Polaris probably doesn't want to have to look at every ECU that a bike has issues with to see if it is altered. Also, if a dealership sells a used bike, that doesn't meet EPA street compliance, they could also be held liable.
Unfortunately, It was only a matter of time. Some of the new cars and trucks have an over the air update that allows the manufacturer to know instantly when you try and hack the ECM. There are some even smart enough to detect a performance mod and detune the motor to compensate. So it’s really only a matter of time before that trickles down to our machines.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Yep, at some point they will collect info of where we go and how fast. Later they can limit our speed or deactivate the engine if our carbon footprint is too large. It's all just starting.Welcome to the New World Order.
and thats why 90% of wut i own is from the stone age. where did you think all this so called tech was gonna lead up to????? big brother is alive and well watching your every move. yeah owning a car where they can send a signal to disable it, thats just f&*$ked up. and no im not paranoid just like my freedom and able to play with my toys.
Very good responses to what's going on with this. But, it will never stop now- it's too late. Corporation/Govt all want the same thing...... control. Control the people, Nascar says you will run this, this is allowed & this is not, "IF" you want to race, this is how it's gonna be done! Guess what, they're still racing. Keep track of new sales for the 2023 Indian Motorcycles, "they" will still sell! People don't give a shit now days, oh- I want that, that is the coolest f*(k thing I've seen since oreo's. Don't matter if it will not provide the best performance that it can, it's performing the way the governing body says. That makes it right!! I'm old, but wow- do I ever wish I could be here in 15-20yrs to see how the sheep are doing. I suspect they will be doing just fine, after all we are a lot better off dollar wise today than we were 2yrs ago(Bwhaaa). At least now you can make 10 bucks an hour flip'n burgers, never mind economic classes at school, if they even teach it anymore will tell ya that there is a help wanted sign in just about every business in america & that same 10 bucks today won't cover 40% what it did 2yrs ago. Keep on purchasing!! Time for me to go fishing.
I know in the diesel world there have been individuals and companies that go into the ECM and physically disable the circuits that locks the tuning out. That requires people to send their ECM to them to perform the "operation". Not sure if that is possible with the new Bosch ECMs but it does beg the question if the older units can be adapted to be used on the newer bikes?Unfortunately, It was only a matter of time. Some of the new cars and trucks have an over the air update that allows the manufacturer to know instantly when you try and hack the ECM. There are some even smart enough to detect a performance mod and detune the motor to compensate. So it’s really only a matter of time before that trickles down to our machines.
All I know is as long as I can get parts I will keep my old Indians running. Part of that is working with other forum members to find what I need from time to time. Dean
That is part of the reason I went in and disabled the On Star on my Duramax. The manufacturer does not need to know what I am doing. Some look at this "integration" as a service to help keep them running with no issues, I tend to think there is a limit to how much others know what I am doing, they don't need to know for my vehicles to run correctly. I even go into my Iphone settings and limit access to the precise location settings for my apps. But that is just me. DeanUnfortunately, It was only a matter of time. Some of the new cars and trucks have an over the air update that allows the manufacturer to know instantly when you try and hack the ECM. There are some even smart enough to detect a performance mod and detune the motor to compensate. So it’s really only a matter of time before that trickles down to our machines.
How can they offer stage 1 and 2 performance parts with out a tune
The Indian stage 1 and 2 mods come with tunes.How can they offer stage 1 and 2 performance parts with out a tune
I thought the tune on a stage 2 is lloyds am I wrong it somes from polarisThe Indian stage 1 and 2 mods come with tunes.
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