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Indian motorcycles saw service in both world wars. In WW1 the motorcycle was an experimental concept, along with tanks. Indian learned well from this experience, realizing that government contracts could be a lucrative source of income. When WW2 unfolded, Indian immediately prepared, offering the Scout (model 500) as their primary platform (military designation 741). Harley was concurrently offering their WLA, which had more power and was accordingly preferred by the troops. Indian responded with the innovative model 841, based on the Chief platform. It offered a more powerful engine to match the WLA, configured in the transverse 45 degree configuration later made famous by Moto Guzzi. The 841 also had shaft drive (as did the Harley XA). The 841’s were produced in much smaller numbers, however, and as the vet’s entered civilian life most were accordingly more familiar with the Harley WLA. Harley thus had a leg up on the post -war competition.

Harley had also had the foresight to pay more attention to their dealer network during the war, while Indian focused almost exclusively on their war production (allowing their dealerships to languish). To their detriment, Indian never capitalized on their model 841 after the war, making very few civilian examples and instead reverting to their pre-war engineering and marketing concepts. These civilian errors do not detract from the military service of Indian motorcycles during both world wars, where they served with honor.

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From the Harley docudrama Harley and the Davidsons, it suggested that Harley's edge on the war effort was the Harley guaranteed in the field service of the bikes, hence a large portion of the contract. Not sure if accurate.
 
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Indian motorcycles saw service in both world wars. In WW1 the motorcycle was an experimental concept, along with tanks. Indian learned well from this experience, realizing that government contracts could be a lucrative source of income. When WW2 unfolded, Indian immediately prepared, offering the Scout (model 500) as their primary platform (military designation 741). Harley was concurrently offering their WLA, which had more power and was accordingly preferred by the troops. Indian responded with the innovative model 841, based on the Chief platform. It offered a more powerful engine to match the WLA, configured in the transverse 45 degree configuration later made famous by Moto Guzzi. The 841 also had shaft drive (as did the Harley XA). The 841’s were produced in much smaller numbers, however, and as the vet’s entered civilian life most were accordingly more familiar with the Harley WLA. Harley thus had a leg up on the post -war competition.

Harley had also had the foresight to pay more attention to their dealer network during the war, while Indian focused almost exclusively on their war production (allowing their dealerships to languish). To their detriment, Indian never capitalized on their model 841 after the war, making very few civilian examples and instead reverting to their pre-war engineering and marketing concepts. These civilian errors do not detract from the military service of Indian motorcycles during both world wars, where they served with honor.

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Not sure what’s going on here, but this is merely a direct quote of my intro ~~ including the photo.

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I have a friend who was trained in the Atlanta mounted Police force, both on horseback and on motorized. He described to me how they are trained to use the bike as cover (as pictured above) in a SHTF situation. I guess the training hasn't changed significantly in last 70 years. Except, I don't think he got issued an full auto.
 
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Is that a indian or a Harley? It appears to be right hand throttle and the shifter looks like a Harley style. Based on tank mounted bracket. ( Personally I think this show be for all motorcycles at war. )
You almost have to look at either the right side or the back to be sure. See posts #2 and #16. The specs were the same for both bikes, just the approach was different. The left side shifter may be the key. I’ve looked at a bunch of the 741 pics and most are right side for the Indian.

Either way, a great pic and I’ve included several pictures of Harleys in the group anyway.
 
Definitely not one of our combat guys (look at the helmet). Appears to be French or Polish in Allied service (white star on gas tank) on the 340B variant minus sidecar. Probably a courier (appears unarmed) but looks like he’s earning his pay. Ammo carrier, saddlebags, and horn all appear to be USA contract.

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almost impossible to tell from this angle if it’s a WLA (Harley) or a Scout. Horn cover suggests WLA, although I do not know if Indian had the headress horn cover on the military models. Most photos from earlier in the thread show no horn cover at all on Indian models (eg #199 above). The few that do are not Indian headress.

Either way, too cool not to post. Note the wheelchock on the p-38.

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