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@Hatt...thanks for the write up! I have my DS set on order and preparing for installation and this helped alot! One question and maybe it is due to my weight but the DS write-up calls for 20 weight oil. Did you use 15 or 20?
Thanks Mark
 
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@Hatt...thanks for the write up! I have my DS set on order and preparing for installation and this helped alot! One question and maybe it is due to my weight but the DS write-up calls for 20 weight oil. Did you use 15 or 20?
Thanks Mark
No problem @MarkK! glad to do it, and the more folks that do this instead of shelling out the bucks to have it done, the happier I am.
To your question, I used maxima brand 15wt.
I mentioned brand name because unfortunately, the weights are different from brand to brand...
With riding gear, I am 210lbs.
Good luck! Any questions ill try and help!
Cheers!
 
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Hi mark..
I know its not right, but I used a 5/8 and it fit just fine. Dont have one that large, in a pinch, ive used the back of a sparkplug socket..
I really dont know what the actual size is by say factory literature. (I only have allens that large and in SAE) I could only use what I had. But here the facts I DO know.
My 5/8 worked just fine.. wasnt really a loose fit.
5/8 is 15.8 something something mm.
Now my guess.
Its a 16mm.. lol
Good luck!
 
Thank you sir...the 5/8 works fine for me! I have noticed that it seems like some stuff is metric and other SAE, the 5/8 is a perfect fit. Just received my DS set and am looking forward to doing this project this weekend.
 
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Sounds good Mark! I always say there is no wrong road, if it gets you to the place you need to go!.. I can not wait to read your reaction to the new set up!
If you have any questions along the way, please ask, and ill try to get back to you ASAP!
Cheers bud!
 
Ok, so im a lil later than I wanted but hey, life happens.
I wanted to give a lil peak into switching the fork springs to @DarkScout spec, for folks that may be on the fence involving the labor involved in doing the job.. my write up is geared toward the person, that has a held a wrench, and can fog a mirror while held to its nose.. its often perceived as an intimidating or very technical job.. when taken one step at a time, its achievable to even a novice wrench..
everyone does things a lil different, this is how I do mine..

Things you need.
The ability to lift front of bike enuff to remove front wheel.
15 weight fork oil
6mm Allen
8mm Allen
Flat blade screwdriver.
5/8 Allen (in a pinch the back of sparkplug socket may work, I've done it in the past though haven't confirmed on scout)
30mm socket
A ruler. Or a means to measure fork oil air cap. I always make a tool that pre measures.

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Pre measured to 160mm
Large syringe, hosing and zip ties and a bike spoke to keep hose straight. Un trimmed zip tie is the guide stop for measurement. more on that later..

First, I always break loose all bolts you know you will have to remove before lifting bike.
These will be
Fender. Brake caliper. Axel pinch bolt and Axel stud.

Its time to lift the bike.
I use a standard lift, and for added assurance I also use a ratchet strap hung from garage rafter.

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Now, we can get at it!!

Step one. Open a Beer.

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Step 2.
I like to mark fork tube orientation with a marker. Its more relevant to older, high mileage or wheelied bikes, to make sure it goes together as it was.

Step 3.
Remove brake caliper, dont let it hang from hose.
Use something to hang it, or, use Indians specially made perch to set it on like this.

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Lol!


Step 4.
Remove wheel.
Weight of bike will shift at this point, so be mind full.

Step 5.
Remove fender.

Step 6.
Loosen triple tree fork bolts,
I like to take a flat blade screwdriver and gently tap into clamp to open it up a bit to aid in sliding fork tube from triples. It doesn't take much, just enough to stay put.

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Step 7.
Loosen fork caps.
I slide the for tube down past the upper triple but leave in lower with enough clearance to get 30mm socket and driver on to fork cap.
Like the above picture.
Remove flat head, and snug up lower triple pinch bolt. With your hand hold down on socket, to assure from slipping give the handle a quick rap and it will break loose, with minimal mark on the cap..

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Step 8.
Remove fork tube.
Loosen triple clamps you snugged up and slide fork tube out. You are now about to re spec your fork!

Step 9.
Remove factory spring, spacer and oil.
Using some care remove fork cap.
Now keep in mind, its under some spring pressure, its not a whole lot, but, will require a lil bit of anticipation.. think like popping a cork champagne bottle, some hand on the cap, and some on the fork tube to keep things under control after you breach last thread!

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Step 10.
Remove factory spring, spacer and washer.
They will come out like this.

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If you notice the tight wind coils are on bottom.. aka, upside down.. generally fork springs have the coils up, to reduce unsprung weight.

Step 11.
Drain old fork oil.
Pour it out, and extend and retract fork to work out as much old oil as possible.

Looks like ATF..Smells like ATF..
Feels like ATF.. tastes like ATF..
Must be ATF.. dont step in it...

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You are now, about to start going the the other way, back together!

Step 12.
Open a Beer.

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Step 13.
Add fork oil.
Your goal is to have 160mm from top of oil level inside fork, to top of fork tube while fork is collapsed, and empty of spring and spacer.
Add oil while Taking a guess at that measurement.
Work fork for a bit to work out air bubbles when that is achieved by the lack of squishing sound, dial in your measurement. Again, this measurement is taken with fork collapsed!
I use the over fill, then remove method with aforementioned pre measured tool.

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Put hose down fork tube up to zip tie, Suck out oil til it slurps and BAM! You have a 160mm air cap!

Step 14.
Extend fork.
Assemble @DarkScout kit.
Put in spring and spacer kit as shown.
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Now, the small washer was not addressed in any information I had.. I did put it back in for an even mating surface to the spacer. I realize if it is not spec'd to be there, I will have slightly raised spring preload. I gave it a shot, and it set up just fine with it, and have been riding it as such and have no desire to change it. Its perfect for me.

Replace fork cap being carefull to not cross thread. This may be the most challenging part. Be patient, and mindful of where the thread begins, I push down, turn back wards till I feel a slight click, indicating beginning of thread, then turn forward to tighten. Be mindful and you will be fine.. I found using the socket as a handle was very helpful.
Torque cap.

Now give the fork tube a few bounces, and check operation, I didnt have it with this bike, but I have had some instances on other bikes where it was kinda squeaky sounding at first, but after a dozen or so boings, it goes away, dont panic. If it never goes away is another thread.
Slide fork back in to marks, make sure they are even,, torque to spec.

Your forks are done!

Step 15
Open a Beer.

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Step 16.
Reassemble the wheel, brake and fender.
Torque Axle stud to spec.

Step 17.
Lower bike and give it some good bounces,, once you have determined it operates freely, torque Axle pinch bolt to spec. Re check operation, Then torque brake caliper and fender.

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Thanks @Alpal for the torque specs!

For set up tips go to @DarkScout excellent set tips at prop engineering

Things I ran across while doing this,, was the upside down springs.
The factory fork oil amounts were not equal.
The forks were uneven in triples by about a 1/16.

Thanks for reading and have more fun then I did with this write up!
Sorry, but which is the right torque for the fork tube cap? There is a cap to jamb nut and cap to outer tube. What the hell is a jamb nut?
 
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Sorry, but which is the right torque for the fork tube cap? There is a cap to jamb nut and cap to outer tube. What the hell is a jamb nut?
Need for apologies my friend..
I have no clue what the "jamb" Nut is either! Lol
So just role with the 16ftlbs for the fork tube cap.
 
Ok sag measurement done for front. 20mm static sag, 30mm rider sag. Think that's OK. @DarkScout : any suggestions what's a good approach to set up the proper rebound damping on the rear shocks? Start in the middle and then try both ways to see differences? Any rule of thumb e.g . Bad roads higher damping, smooth roads lower or vice versa? Thanks

Update: Test ride completed and I'm still surprized about the improvement:). I can't compare the Foxes to any other shocks, but I'm happy. Must admit that I bought them for the good looks as well. The front is perfect: no more diving when applying the front brakes, feels much safer when I go a little faster. All in all I consider it a very good investment.
 
Well I think I'm about done and so far very pleased with the update. Fine tuning rider sag in the front. I probably should have gone with the DS Sport to get a better adjustment for the rear but all went well and big difference!

Thanks again for this write up as it made things go real easy for someone who has never done this!

Note 1: Putting the fork caps back on was really easy, even by myself so those questioning this don't worry as it's not as hard as it may seem.

Note 2: Some had questions on supporting bike. What I did is I had a small skid and turned it over(upside down), added to eye bolts, placed rear tire on skid and used a rachet strap to secure over rear seat...see below.

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Well I think I'm about done and so far very pleased with the update. Fine tuning rider sag in the front. I probably should have gone with the DS Sport to get a better adjustment for the rear but all went well and big difference!

Thanks again for this write up as it made things go real easy for someone who has never done this!

Note 1: Putting the fork caps back on was really easy, even by myself so those questioning this don't worry as it's not as hard as it may seem.

Note 2: Some had questions on supporting bike. What I did is I had a small skid and turned it over(upside down), added to eye bolts, placed rear tire on skid and used a rachet strap to secure over rear seat...see below.

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No prob Mark! im really glad it helped you!!
And, your method of supporting the bike is genius!! Now ride the hell out of it now that it's turned up to 11!
 
Dunno if this is where I should ask, but since a lot of folks have used this as the "how to, maybe someone will see this question: I'm looking at the Progressive Suspension springs. I know that the kit comes with a PVC spacer for setting preload. I'm assuming there's some sort of guideline for the length to cut the spacers to to achieve the desired setting. I have it in my head that I'd come up with a starting point based on someone else's experience, but I can't find that discussion to save me. If you fitted those springs, and remember the spacer length you used, please post up that length and your weight so I can reconstruct my starting point. Thanks!
 
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