Indian Motorcycle Forum banner

Challenger Tuning

2814 Views 32 Replies 10 Participants Last post by  ferraiolo1
Which is a better tuning for the challenger? Mail- in ecm to rvs or Lloyd’s or dyno tuning?
21 - 33 of 33 Posts
I have posted similar comments on other threads. There were many products and more available for the diesel market with the disclaimer of "For off road purposes only". Then the EPA started going after tuners and such and almost over night all that disappeared! It is only A matter of time. Lloyd is no dummy, same as Gail Banks, if you are looking into the future and staying in business making EPA friendly tunes be the only way. Only problem is the newer tunes will not do as much and will end up costing more. We are in the glory days my friends but the light at the end of the tunnel and approaching fast! Dean

For the Challenger, the current offered tunes don't add any more significant power. I have dyno sheets from Lloydz, RVS, Hoonies, Dynojet. You might get 2 -5 HP tops and a couple of ft pounds of torque.

What the Challenger tunes do offer, is better drive by wire throttle response. Removal of the speed limiter and slightly better timing profiles. And better idle performance.

What happens is the drive by wire tables are more aggressive in the 50% and up throttle twist, which tricks riders into think they have more power. They don't it just comes on quicker.

The EPA doesn't really care about open loop operation, and that's where the majority of most tunes are done anyway. The current Dynojet and Lloydz tunes are most likely EPA compliant anyway. It's just they haven't been certified yet.

The tunes for the 111/116 also didn't mess with the closed loop operation, which still is the lean EPA AF range.

Also buy having a EPA compliant tune, this will get you out of the warranty being invalid due to non EPA compliant tampering.


Dynojet and Cobra and others have been making CARB compliant tuners for years.
See less See more
For the Challenger, the current offered tunes don't add any more significant power. I have dyno sheets from Lloydz, RVS, Hoonies, Dynojet. You might get 2 -5 HP tops and a couple of ft pounds of torque.

Whet the Challenger tunes do offer, is better drive by wire throttle response. Removal of the speed limiter and slightly better timing profiles. And better idle performance.

What happens is the drive by wire tables are more aggressive in the 50% and up throttle twist, which tricks riders into think they have more power. They don't it just comes on quicker.

The EPA doesn't really care about open loop operation, and that's where the majority of most tunes are done anyway. The current Dynojet and Lloydz tunes are most likely EPA compliant anyway. It's just they haven't been certified yet.

The tunes for the 111/116 also didn't mess with the closed loop operation, which still is the lean EPA AF range.

Also buy having a EPA compliant tune, this will get you out of the warranty being invalid due to non EPA compliant tampering.


Dynojet and Cobra and others have been making CARB compliant tuners for years.
Well, if you don't gain that much power from the Lloyd's tune why would some here claim that the Lloyds tune was causing head gasket issues? D
Well, if you don't gain that much power from the Lloyd's tune why would some here claim that the Lloyds tune was causing head gasket issues? D

That was answered in another post. Indian had over 100 defective bikes with head gaskets and only 4 of them were tuned with Lloyds tunes, the others were bone stock.


  • Like
Reactions: 1
Well, if you don't gain that much power from the Lloyd's tune why would some here claim that the Lloyds tune was causing head gasket issues? D
Because the tuner is the easiest thing to blame for any issue. People tried to claim the tune caused their kickstand switch to be bad. Or the tune caused voltage issues.

And they don’t adjust the tbw tables on the challenger.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Because the tuner is the easiest thing to blame for any issue. People tried to claim the tune caused their kickstand switch to be bad. Or the tune caused voltage issues.

And they don’t adjust the tbw tables on the challenger.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No, they don't, but that's where most of the seat of the pants power comes from
the more the government gets involved, the less freedoms you'll have. No hijack intended, just stating fact. Want a tune?....do it now......and hide your guns, 401k's, and your sexuality😝
Will the boxed Indian stage 1 tube fix the issue of the “cat delete”/2-into-1 exhaust causing misfire and engine code issues on 2023 challengers?
I have a sawicki long 2-into-1 that’s mine to put on my 2023 challenger dark horse, but I’m hesitant for the aforementioned issues. I’ve heard rumored the Indian tune “fixes” them? Anyone with firsthand knowledge on any of this?
You will have to buy the stage 1 intake to get the tuning code to install it on your bike


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You will have to buy the stage 1 intake to get the tuning code to install it on your bike


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes. That is being installed as we speak. Both, under the tank and the side “scoop”.
but your reply wasn’t really a clear answer? Was that a yes?
No, I still got random
Codes with my full exhaust and the stage 1 tune.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No, I still got random
Codes with my full exhaust and the stage 1 tune.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Okay good to know.
did you take the exhaust off or just living with the codes? Any issues with drivability?
Living with the codes. It still ran perfectly fine.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  • Like
Reactions: 1
21 - 33 of 33 Posts
Top