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Has anyone done this yet? The dealer is saying this will match the performance of the 116BBK.

The stock sound of the 2020 116 is not really that deep sounding. I'm not looking for loudness.

In order to use the $500 off $2k coupon, just doing stage 1 won't get me to the $2k in parts. lol

Just wondering if anyone has done the stage 2 on the 2020 and if they like it?
 

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I'm not sure if the compression is as high as on a kitted 111 motor. Stage Two vs. Stage 3 camshafts isn't certain either. Supposedly the newer heads flow better though. Somebody should do a comparison.
 

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compression ratio is the same between the two.. I think the stage II cams for the factory 116 are the same cams as the BBK.. the heads do flow better on the newer motor.. I don't know if that would affect performance or not.. but your dealer is right... you have to go to stage II on the factory 116 to equal the BBK in performance
 

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I'm sure someone has already done stage 1 & 2.
I have had some experience with the stage 1 on the new 116, but I'm curious about what the stage 2 brings to the table.

Indian quotes a 17% increase in performance.

Personally I am not a rider that looks for loudness, although a lower tone than stock is nice. For me it wouldn't be worth it if it made the bike much louder or if I experienced a loss in MPG.

I haven't seen any reviews on this setup on the 2020 116 models.
 

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I just had this done on 5-15-2020 on my 2020 roadmaster. The bike is much louder than I want it to be so that’s a problem and as far as any power increase, I’m not feeling it. There seems to be a “flat spot” in the throttle when I roll it on. I am going to call the dealer next week and see if there are any options on the mapping. To me so far it just seems like the bike is much louder and no increase in performance. I put 2k miles on this bike before the mod so am pretty familiar with how it felt prior to the work.
 

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I just had this done on 5-15-2020 on my 2020 roadmaster. The bike is much louder than I want it to be so that’s a problem and as far as any power increase, I’m not feeling it. There seems to be a “flat spot” in the throttle when I roll it on. I am going to call the dealer next week and see if there are any options on the mapping. To me so far it just seems like the bike is much louder and no increase in performance. I put 2k miles on this bike before the mod so am pretty familiar with how it felt prior to the work.
Your Roadmaster was upgraded with a performance intake, a performance exhaust, and Indian Stage 2 cams, and flashed with the Indian Stage 2 flash and you can't feel any difference in performance?

I would get a PV3 from Fuel Moto USA and a tune map from CragB1960, that will wake things up and fine tune the Stage 2 setup at the same time
 

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Your Roadmaster was upgraded with a performance intake, a performance exhaust, and Indian Stage 2 cams, and flashed with the Indian Stage 2 flash and you can't feel any difference in performance?

I would get a PV3 from Fuel Moto USA and a tune map from CragB1960, that will wake things up and fine tune the Stage 2 setup at the same time
I completely agree. The factory tunes for these upgrades are lack luster at best. I did the early version of the stage 2 cams when the first came out. The tune was horrible. Very skiddish and a lot of flat spots in the power curve. Remember the factory is handicapped by the EPA standards. A proper fuel map and ignition curve will make a very noticeable difference on your bike. I know when CraigB1960 did my tune it make a big difference in my bike. Worth every penny getting the tuner and Craig's help. Dean
 
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I'm sure someone has already done stage 1 & 2.
I have had some experience with the stage 1 on the new 116, but I'm curious about what the stage 2 brings to the table.

Indian quotes a 17% increase in performance.

Personally I am not a rider that looks for loudness, although a lower tone than stock is nice. For me it wouldn't be worth it if it made the bike much louder or if I experienced a loss in MPG.

I haven't seen any reviews on this setup on the 2020 116 models.
I tuned one earlier this year when the kit came out. The owner thought it really woke up with the cam and tune, though he did not have many miles on the Stage 1 due to winter.
 

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I have the 116 big bore motor rode mine for 2500 miles and then did tab exhaust with 2.5 baffles , the indian stage 1 air breather. The closed unit not open breather. Also did stage 2 cams with injectors and plenum and had it flash. It is loader but not to load as my wife rides as well.
I did notice a pretty good amount of power gain.
I do know tab sells a tuner for 400.00 that will raise the rev limit and top speed as well as tune.
I am considering giving it a try.
But at a 145 lbs. There is plenty of power already there to me. But I want more speed.
 

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I have a 2020 RMDH and added stage 2 after about 3 months. Started with Fuel moto Jackpot header, Indian Performance stage 1 intake, and stage1 oval exhaust. Added the stage 2 with power vision tuner and fuel moto map. Had a hard time starting and kept dying when going to idle or blipping throttle.
Sent in log files and fuel moto made some improvements. Improved but still not right. Sent more log files and still has issues. I put stock header with cat back on and went back to stage 2 flash from Indian and it actually run pretty damn good.
 

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I have a 2020 RMDH and added stage 2 after about 3 months. Started with Fuel moto Jackpot header, Indian Performance stage 1 intake, and stage1 oval exhaust. Added the stage 2 with power vision tuner and fuel moto map. Had a hard time starting and kept dying when going to idle or blipping throttle.
Sent in log files and fuel moto made some improvements. Improved but still not right. Sent more log files and still has issues. I put stock header with cat back on and went back to stage 2 flash from Indian and it actually run pretty damn good.
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I have a 2020 RMDH and added stage 2 after about 3 months. Started with Fuel moto Jackpot header, Indian Performance stage 1 intake, and stage1 oval exhaust. Added the stage 2 with power vision tuner and fuel moto map. Had a hard time starting and kept dying when going to idle or blipping throttle.
Sent in log files and fuel moto made some improvements. Improved but still not right. Sent more log files and still has issues. I put stock header with cat back on and went back to stage 2 flash from Indian and it actually run pretty damn good.
performance wise I can tell a difference going from stock to stage 2. Especially two up and in mountains and hills.
 

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I have a 2020 RMDH and added stage 2 after about 3 months. Started with Fuel moto Jackpot header, Indian Performance stage 1 intake, and stage1 oval exhaust. Added the stage 2 with power vision tuner and fuel moto map. Had a hard time starting and kept dying when going to idle or blipping throttle.
Sent in log files and fuel moto made some improvements. Improved but still not right. Sent more log files and still has issues. I put stock header with cat back on and went back to stage 2 flash from Indian and it actually run pretty damn good.
How many miles did you put on the bike after doing a tuning flash? The bike will be fine tuning itself for a bit. I do at least 100 miles on a flash before judging the tune itself. Also if you had that many issues at idle with the PV3 tune it is likely there might be some intake leakage at the manifold boots. They are notorious for leaking at the boot where they mate up with the head. Never heard of anyone having those kind of issues from doing a Fuel Moto tune. Dean
 

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Put about 2,000 miles on the bike with the various fuel-moto tunes. The last tune I was sent was pretty good but still not as good as the stage 2 tune.
I want to have a remote tune done. Or dyno tune by somebody that knows what their doing.
 

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How many miles did you put on the bike after doing a tuning flash? The bike will be fine tuning itself for a bit. I do at least 100 miles on a flash before judging the tune itself. Also if you had that many issues at idle with the PV3 tune it is likely there might be some intake leakage at the manifold boots. They are notorious for leaking at the boot where they mate up with the head. Never heard of anyone having those kind of issues from doing a Fuel Moto tune. Dean
I thought the same thing as you about the intake but all was good. The stage 2 tune from Indian works great at startup. Fuel-moto did make it better from the first they sent. I actually put their tune back in last weekend and rode 260 miles. It just needs a little more work.
 

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I thought the same thing as you about the intake but all was good. The stage 2 tune from Indian works great at startup. Fuel-moto did make it better from the first they sent. I actually put their tune back in last weekend and rode 260 miles. It just needs a little more work.
I put the stock header pipe back on with cat so I went back to stock tune with stage 2. I wanted to see if the fuel-moto tune made a difference the stock head pipes.
 

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I thought the same thing as you about the intake but all was good. The stage 2 tune from Indian works great at startup. Fuel-moto did make it better from the first they sent. I actually put their tune back in last weekend and rode 260 miles. It just needs a little more work.
Dean the bike idled when hot just fine. It was only on cold start. It wouldn’t idle up like it should and when hot going to idle and I got o throttle to take off it die. They fixed that but the cold start was better but needs a little more work which I know fuel-moto will do. They are great people to work with. No complaints with them.
 
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