first off I love the Indians. I had a 15 roadmaster loved it in the rain I could stay dry with the lowers thought indian really had there shit together. Finally traded in for a 19 and liked the bigger opening but I did notice some whistle through them when they were closed but was worth it. Today I got caught in a good rain storm and I have to say indian went backwards deleting the clear wind rain gaurds on the lowers it was like I was riding a Harley, the lowers do no good at all the rain hits you at the knees runs down your legs and fills your boots. I don't understand why they would do that why they would shoot themselves in the ass. if it was the money hell id gladly pay for them for an ad on but there is no way to mount them. I am really thinking about buying a set of lowers from the older bike and putting on my 19.