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      For those models that can't fit a center stand (like my 2017 Indian Chief), what are the options?

      Currently I use a hydraulic stand on wheels, but I'm wondering if there's anything better available.
      It all depends on what maintenance I am doing to my bike.
      What I have are;
      A motorcycle hydraulic lift
      A motorcycle scissor jack like this
      Rubber arm pads like this
      A Wheeldock like this

      If adjusting the belt or doing rear wheel maintenance only, I will use the Wheeldock to keep the bike vertical, and use the scissor jack with the rubber pads and lift only the rear of the bike.
      If I need to lift the entire bike for maintenance or removing the front wheel, I will use the Hydraulic lift with the rubber arm pads strategically placed on the lift arms as far apart from one another to provide as much stability to the bike as possible, and as Willy indicated, placing something solid under the rear wheel, especially when removing the front wheel, is recommended.
       
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      It all depends on what maintenance I am doing to my bike.
      What I have are;
      A motorcycle hydraulic lift
      A motorcycle scissor jack like this
      Rubber arm pads like this
      A Wheeldock like this

      If adjusting the belt or doing rear wheel maintenance only, I will use the Wheeldock to keep the bike vertical, and use the scissor jack with the rubber pads and lift only the rear of the bike.
      If I need to lift the entire bike for maintenance or removing the front wheel, I will use the Hydraulic lift with the rubber arm pads strategically placed on the lift arms as far apart from one another to provide as much stability to the bike as possible, and as Willy indicated, placing something solid under the rear wheel, especially when removing the front wheel, is recommended.
      I have a basic wheeldock to hold the front wheel. Getting the front stand to let the wheel go when I'm finished can be challenging. I do like your version, but shipping costs would be prohibited.

      Also have a hydraulic lift and the scissor jack. I am nervous about the bike on my hydraulic lift, I will try and devise some more positive attachment mechanism.

      My scissor jack is slow to lift and lower the bike, too small to lift the entire bike off the ground, but fine when using with a front wheel chock.

      The rubber arm pad look good too, but again I pay twice as much for shipping than the product itself costs.

      The pit bull rear stand looks good, and I already have a similar one to lift the rear of my FTR1200. But I can't imagine where it would attach on the left hand side, the only place I can imagine I could fit something would be on the rear axle nut. Convincing it to stay there needs more thought.

      Any further suggestions gratefully received!
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      It all depends on what maintenance I am doing to my bike.
      What I have are;
      A motorcycle hydraulic lift
      A motorcycle scissor jack like this
      Rubber arm pads like this
      A Wheeldock like this

      If adjusting the belt or doing rear wheel maintenance only, I will use the Wheeldock to keep the bike vertical, and use the scissor jack with the rubber pads and lift only the rear of the bike.
      If I need to lift the entire bike for maintenance or removing the front wheel, I will use the Hydraulic lift with the rubber arm pads strategically placed on the lift arms as far apart from one another to provide as much stability to the bike as possible, and as Willy indicated, placing something solid under the rear wheel, especially when removing the front wheel, is recommended.
      Hi - Was wondering, did you bolt the pads to the hydraulic jack or just place them on the jack where they need to be?
       
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      Sorry to hear , I just bought the blue lift from harbor freight . I can move the bike around on the lift too . You can even sit on the bike while it's on the lift as long as it's centered . You don't need those extra jack extensions for the scout , those work great for the higher mx bikes I have

       
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      Thanks all. Great feedback, as always. I can't afford the table and am looking at the Pittsburgh fork lift. See 1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift. Seems pretty solid and its only $180. Thanks again.
      If you're going to buy a Harbor Freight bike lift, do not buy that one! It isn't as stable or as durable as the all steel one that they offer. The steel jack has several advantages, things like safety locks that hold the bike up with no pressure in the hydraulics, a foot actuated pump and release mechanism that allows you to hold onto the handlebars while lifting and lowering, a wider footprint for more stability while working on the bike, steel construction so that the pivot points don't wear as fast, and screws that go against the floor to keep it from moving around while working. It is also much cheaper and works well to lift the 111 bikes without requiring any adapters. I have a table and one of these lifts, and I use the lift with my Chief Classic much more often. The table is good for major mechanical work, but the lift is better for changing tires, oil changes, and the like.

       
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      Thanks all. Great feedback, as always. I can't afford the table and am looking at the Pittsburgh fork lift. See 1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift. Seems pretty solid and its only $180. Thanks again.
      I have this exact jack, but it's branded as Craftsman I think. I've not used it for my Scout yet, but it used to work fine for lifting both my Vics. It works, but it is SUPER flexible. If you go this route, be very careful if you try to move it while jacked up, make sure you're right on the balance point of the bike, and always use tie downs. If nothing else, it will convince you that a table is the best route :D
       
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      New Chieftain owner (used, but new to me) and I bought this jack yesterday with a 25% off Harbor freight coupon. I went to get the less expensive one but read some reviews about bikes falling off or getting stuck on the jack so I bought this one.
      Has anyone used one of these before, I don't know where to jack it and looks like I need something to clear the cables.
      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I also bought their wheel chock and wondering if anyone has used one of them as well. And how do you get the bike in it if I just want to use it in my garage to stand the bike up.
      1800 Lb. Capacity Motorcycle Stand/Wheel Chock

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      New Chieftain owner (used, but new to me) and I bought this jack yesterday with a 25% off Harbor freight coupon. I went to get the less expensive one but read some reviews about bikes falling off or getting stuck on the jack so I bought this one.
      Has anyone used one of these before, I don't know where to jack it and looks like I need something to clear the cables.
      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I also bought their wheel chock and wondering if anyone has used one of them as well. And how do you get the bike in it if I just want to use it in my garage to stand the bike up.
      1800 Lb. Capacity Motorcycle Stand/Wheel Chock

      Thanks.
      I have one of these. It is very stable and solid with it's wide stance. Hydraulics seem fine on this one.
       
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      New Chieftain owner (used, but new to me) and I bought this jack yesterday with a 25% off Harbor freight coupon. I went to get the less expensive one but read some reviews about bikes falling off or getting stuck on the jack so I bought this one.
      Has anyone used one of these before, I don't know where to jack it and looks like I need something to clear the cables.
      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I also bought their wheel chock and wondering if anyone has used one of them as well. And how do you get the bike in it if I just want to use it in my garage to stand the bike up.
      1800 Lb. Capacity Motorcycle Stand/Wheel Chock

      Thanks.
      I took a 7' x 10" piece of 1/2" treated plywood and bolted on a couple of pieces of stainless steel that act as hooks. I lay the plywood down on the floor and set the wheel chock on top. I then ride the bike into the wheel chock. The weight of the bike holds the chock in place. Simple physics. If you want, I can take a picture of it.

      I also screwed a scrap piece of 2 x 4 inside the bottom of the wheel chock so that the wheel doesn't drop in as far. This make it easier to remove the bike from the wheel chock.
       
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      New Chieftain owner (used, but new to me) and I bought this jack yesterday with a 25% off Harbor freight coupon. I went to get the less expensive one but read some reviews about bikes falling off or getting stuck on the jack so I bought this one.
      Has anyone used one of these before, I don't know where to jack it and looks like I need something to clear the cables.
      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I also bought their wheel chock and wondering if anyone has used one of them as well. And how do you get the bike in it if I just want to use it in my garage to stand the bike up.
      1800 Lb. Capacity Motorcycle Stand/Wheel Chock

      Thanks.
      I have 2 of HF chocks and they work great. Only problem for me is getting the bike out of the cradle, it takes 2 people or if alone I have to use my ratcheting straps to coax the bike out. But they are solid. Seen the same chock under other names for a lot more.
       
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      Didn’t show up on the site. Guess it’s because I have my local store selected. Did you run into any snags using it on the scout?


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      I bought this (1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift) last year from HF on sale for like $130. Love it. Bike has been sitting on it all winter (wheels off ground) and it has not settled at all. I jacked it just past the first safety stop and check the safety leaver every week or so and it remains unengauged, meaning the lift has not settled. I put straps on all four corners to stabilize bike. Rolling around in garage (once strapped) is simple, so I can squirrel the bike into the corner for the winter. Well built.
       
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      Has anyone used the Harbor Freight $179 lift on a Roadmaster? Issues/thoughts?
      I want to preface this by making very clear that I am not in any way a huge fan of Harbor Freight, or chicom buying in general. However, in today's market they are a fact of life and I find that some of their products are actually as good as other alternatives from chicom sources, and in a few cases actually as good as anything else available. No geopolitical opinion involved, just the facts that if you're trying to save cash by buying an imported product, I believe you need to get the best possible product for the least possible money. Like everything, compromises are involved.

      Here is the $179 HF lift that is being discussed. My opinion of this lift follows.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I have not tried that particular jack specifically on Roadmaster, nor would I ever even consider it. It has too many issues for me to feel save using it. Chief among them is that fact the the pivot points on the base structure and on the table for the lift arms are arranged in a triangular fashion, resulting in a lot of twisting of the table if the weight of the load is not PERFECTLY centered (almost impossible with a motorcycle). This twisting puts a lot of stress on the pivot pins and holes that creates rapid wear in the aluminum structure. The more you use it the worse it gets. We had one of these at work that we used for lifting bulky exhaust components (they only weigh around 350 or 400 pounds) and in less than a year it was feeling unsafe to use because it was so sloppy. When it was new I tried lifting my Chief Classic with it and found the rear wheel lifted over a foot off the ground with the front tire still touching. I put it back down. I would not use one of this design lifts for anything, they may be light, but they aren't a good design.

      Now, here's the CHEAPER, and in my opinion BETTER, Harbor Freight alternative. $90. My opinion to follow again.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV/Motorcycle Lift

      This is actually a reasonable quality offering. I tested and inspected a couple before I decided to buy one of my own. It is made of steel, with robust materials chosen throughout. The design is pretty much industry standard and distributes the stresses involved in lifting a motorcycle well throughout the structure. When "the "light" end will come up first but the flex isn't extremene and it doesn't get "scary". The rubber pads on the support arms are made of a good material that doesn't turn to rock or goop in a couple of years and don't mar up the bottom of a bike. The lift has several tie down points integrated into the design to allow you to secure the bike once up. It also has screws to turn down against the ground to prevent it from moving, and wheels which allow it to be moved around with a bike on it without problems (assuming a relatively smooth floor). It lifts Indian 111 bikes without any need for an adapter and leaves clearance to drop the oil plugs and change the oil without needing a special funnel to divert oil away from the structure. When lifted it is very stable and I have used mine many times to remove both wheels at the same time for tire changes, do oil changes and belt adjustments, etc. I've been using this same lift for about 10 years now and have used it on many different bikes with no issues at all. I recommend it to anyone who asks and several folks I know have and use them with no issues.
       
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      I want to preface this by making very clear that I am not in any way a huge fan of Harbor Freight, or chicom buying in general. However, in today's market they are a fact of life and I find that some of their products are actually as good as other alternatives from chicom sources, and in a few cases actually as good as anything else available. No geopolitical opinion involved, just the facts that if you're trying to save cash by buying an imported product, I believe you need to get the best possible product for the least possible money. Like everything, compromises are involved.

      Here is the $179 HF lift that is being discussed. My opinion of this lift follows.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I have not tried that particular jack specifically on Roadmaster, nor would I ever even consider it. It has too many issues for me to feel save using it. Chief among them is that fact the the pivot points on the base structure and on the table for the lift arms are arranged in a triangular fashion, resulting in a lot of twisting of the table if the weight of the load is not PERFECTLY centered (almost impossible with a motorcycle). This twisting puts a lot of stress on the pivot pins and holes that creates rapid wear in the aluminum structure. The more you use it the worse it gets. We had one of these at work that we used for lifting bulky exhaust components (they only weigh around 350 or 400 pounds) and in less than a year it was feeling unsafe to use because it was so sloppy. When it was new I tried lifting my Chief Classic with it and found the rear wheel lifted over a foot off the ground with the front tire still touching. I put it back down. I would not use one of this design lifts for anything, they may be light, but they aren't a good design.

      Now, here's the CHEAPER, and in my opinion BETTER, Harbor Freight alternative. $90. My opinion to follow again.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      This is actually a reasonable quality offering. I tested and inspected a couple before I decided to buy one of my own. It is made of steel, with robust materials chosen throughout. The design is pretty much industry standard and distributes the stresses involved in lifting a motorcycle well throughout the structure. When "the "light" end will come up first but the flex isn't extremene and it doesn't get "scary". The rubber pads on the support arms are made of a good material that doesn't turn to rock or goop in a couple of years and don't mar up the bottom of a bike. The lift has several tie down points integrated into the design to allow you to secure the bike once up. It also has screws to turn down against the ground to prevent it from moving, and wheels which allow it to be moved around with a bike on it without problems (assuming a relatively smooth floor). It lifts Indian 111 bikes without any need for an adapter and leaves clearance to drop the oil plugs and change the oil without needing a special funnel to divert oil away from the structure. When lifted it is very stable and I have used mine many times to remove both wheels at the same time for tire changes, do oil changes and belt adjustments, etc. I've been using this same lift for about 10 years now and have used it on many different bikes with no issues at all. I recommend it to anyone who asks and several folks I know have and use them with no issues.
      Both links go to the same jack.

      But yea, no way in hell would I use either HF jack in a shop for repeated use. The blue one is great for the scout, only 550 lbs. I wouldn't use it on a 800+ lb bike. The lift table is too small. Good info on the bracing. Sounds like I need to cut some new more durable lift arms.

      The cheaper one you're talking about, I like the design better, bigger lift table. Had one, busted the bottle. A bottle replacement costs more than the whole jack so went to the blue one.
       
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      I want to preface this by making very clear that I am not in any way a huge fan of Harbor Freight, or chicom buying in general. However, in today's market they are a fact of life and I find that some of their products are actually as good as other alternatives from chicom sources, and in a few cases actually as good as anything else available. No geopolitical opinion involved, just the facts that if you're trying to save cash by buying an imported product, I believe you need to get the best possible product for the least possible money. Like everything, compromises are involved.

      Here is the $179 HF lift that is being discussed. My opinion of this lift follows.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I have not tried that particular jack specifically on Roadmaster, nor would I ever even consider it. It has too many issues for me to feel save using it. Chief among them is that fact the the pivot points on the base structure and on the table for the lift arms are arranged in a triangular fashion, resulting in a lot of twisting of the table if the weight of the load is not PERFECTLY centered (almost impossible with a motorcycle). This twisting puts a lot of stress on the pivot pins and holes that creates rapid wear in the aluminum structure. The more you use it the worse it gets. We had one of these at work that we used for lifting bulky exhaust components (they only weigh around 350 or 400 pounds) and in less than a year it was feeling unsafe to use because it was so sloppy. When it was new I tried lifting my Chief Classic with it and found the rear wheel lifted over a foot off the ground with the front tire still touching. I put it back down. I would not use one of this design lifts for anything, they may be light, but they aren't a good design.

      Now, here's the CHEAPER, and in my opinion BETTER, Harbor Freight alternative. $90. My opinion to follow again.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV/Motorcycle Lift

      This is actually a reasonable quality offering. I tested and inspected a couple before I decided to buy one of my own. It is made of steel, with robust materials chosen throughout. The design is pretty much industry standard and distributes the stresses involved in lifting a motorcycle well throughout the structure. When "the "light" end will come up first but the flex isn't extremene and it doesn't get "scary". The rubber pads on the support arms are made of a good material that doesn't turn to rock or goop in a couple of years and don't mar up the bottom of a bike. The lift has several tie down points integrated into the design to allow you to secure the bike once up. It also has screws to turn down against the ground to prevent it from moving, and wheels which allow it to be moved around with a bike on it without problems (assuming a relatively smooth floor). It lifts Indian 111 bikes without any need for an adapter and leaves clearance to drop the oil plugs and change the oil without needing a special funnel to divert oil away from the structure. When lifted it is very stable and I have used mine many times to remove both wheels at the same time for tire changes, do oil changes and belt adjustments, etc. I've been using this same lift for about 10 years now and have used it on many different bikes with no issues at all. I recommend it to anyone who asks and several folks I know have and use them with no issues.
      Great response! Thanks for taking the time to respond with such detail and clarity, I appreciate the input.
       
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      I want to preface this by making very clear that I am not in any way a huge fan of Harbor Freight, or chicom buying in general. However, in today's market they are a fact of life and I find that some of their products are actually as good as other alternatives from chicom sources, and in a few cases actually as good as anything else available. No geopolitical opinion involved, just the facts that if you're trying to save cash by buying an imported product, I believe you need to get the best possible product for the least possible money. Like everything, compromises are involved.

      Here is the $179 HF lift that is being discussed. My opinion of this lift follows.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift

      I have not tried that particular jack specifically on Roadmaster, nor would I ever even consider it. It has too many issues for me to feel save using it. Chief among them is that fact the the pivot points on the base structure and on the table for the lift arms are arranged in a triangular fashion, resulting in a lot of twisting of the table if the weight of the load is not PERFECTLY centered (almost impossible with a motorcycle). This twisting puts a lot of stress on the pivot pins and holes that creates rapid wear in the aluminum structure. The more you use it the worse it gets. We had one of these at work that we used for lifting bulky exhaust components (they only weigh around 350 or 400 pounds) and in less than a year it was feeling unsafe to use because it was so sloppy. When it was new I tried lifting my Chief Classic with it and found the rear wheel lifted over a foot off the ground with the front tire still touching. I put it back down. I would not use one of this design lifts for anything, they may be light, but they aren't a good design.

      Now, here's the CHEAPER, and in my opinion BETTER, Harbor Freight alternative. $90. My opinion to follow again.

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV/Motorcycle Lift

      This is actually a reasonable quality offering. I tested and inspected a couple before I decided to buy one of my own. It is made of steel, with robust materials chosen throughout. The design is pretty much industry standard and distributes the stresses involved in lifting a motorcycle well throughout the structure. When "the "light" end will come up first but the flex isn't extremene and it doesn't get "scary". The rubber pads on the support arms are made of a good material that doesn't turn to rock or goop in a couple of years and don't mar up the bottom of a bike. The lift has several tie down points integrated into the design to allow you to secure the bike once up. It also has screws to turn down against the ground to prevent it from moving, and wheels which allow it to be moved around with a bike on it without problems (assuming a relatively smooth floor). It lifts Indian 111 bikes without any need for an adapter and leaves clearance to drop the oil plugs and change the oil without needing a special funnel to divert oil away from the structure. When lifted it is very stable and I have used mine many times to remove both wheels at the same time for tire changes, do oil changes and belt adjustments, etc. I've been using this same lift for about 10 years now and have used it on many different bikes with no issues at all. I recommend it to anyone who asks and several folks I know have and use them with no issues.
      Excellent write up on the jacks, real world input like this helps. I’m leaning towards a pitbull jack because it accommodates the scout well without an adapter or modification. I also like the 360 table that you can get with it. I’d prefer a table but the footprint of a jack is why I’m leaning towards it.


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      I'm planning on adding Hannigan sidecar to my Vintage next year, but still would like to have a jack, "mainly", to clean the rear tire's whitewalls. I have no doubt that the J&S jack is the best offering, however I can't see spending that amount on a jack I'll rarely use. I'm not even sure I'll be able to raise the bike once the sidecar is attached. Seems like the Harbor Freight offering coupled with those ebay indian adapters might be the way to go for my purposes.

      By the way, is this the Harbor Freight jack everyone has mentioned? (See link below)

      1500 lbs. Capacity ATV / Motorcycle Lift
       

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