Have gun (or not); will travel

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  1. NCScoutSW

    NCScoutSW Junior Member

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    This post isn't related specifically to motorcycling, though the context of concern from a family member relates directly to my distance traveling "solo" versus in groups (new rider; haven't joined IMRG or other groups yet - I enjoy riding solo.)

    Over Christmas break a family member asked me if I should consider carrying a gun while riding considering I do most of my riding solo (distance cruising.) They asked out of concern re: getting robbed due to the perception of the lone vulnerable soul that enjoys riding through the hills or mountains alone.

    As a new rider I haven't seriously considered carrying a gun while riding, especially when all riders I've met are incredibly nice. On the flip side of noticing the "bond" of other motorcyclists, I'm aware their are nuts out there. Currently my solo-riding outside our local area is comprised of exploring great roads -- not hanging out at bars or riding during the evening in high crime neighborhoods.

    Do either of you feel the need to carry when riding solo outside of your local area?
     
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    If it was legal here in CA, I would. Don't have that option though. I think I can carry ammo chamber in one saddlebag and dismantled gun in the other, but that won't help if I need it in a hurry. I carry a knife, as I use one for work as well, but that is all.
     
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    Always carry.. so does the wife..
     
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    always carry.
     
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    Always have one near by.
     
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    Americal23 11th Light Infantry Brigade

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    Always carry here in Arizona. When going east I can carry all the way into Virginia. Best not get caught armed in DC or Commie Maryland
     
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    I've covered a lot of the country, alone.
    I don't carry. Not that I wouldn't if I had the urge to, I just don't.
    I've never had a problem... yet.
    No one says there isn't a chance it couldn't happen in the future.
     
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    Not at all.

    I kind of wonder - under what type of scenario would someone be able to make use of a carried gun?

    If someone is going to rob you I doubt they are going to advertise it as they approach you.

    If they have a gun out, would you try and outdraw them?

    If they have robbed you and were leaving, would you get out the gun and shoot them?

    Because in most states, I think the lost time due to the robber's death would outweigh any monetary losses. And the fact that they were leaving makes it a big hassle.

    Here in Calif, if someone is "wrong" in the operation of their vehicle (pulled out of a street without looking etc.) *but* you had the opportunity to avoid them and avoid the accident, you are at fault even though they made the initial wrong maneuver.

    Supposedly there is also the law that if the intruder is in your home you can shoot them but if they get out the door, you can't.

    Anyway, with 40+ years of riding and about 100,000 miles across the USA and Canada, the idea of carrying a gun has never entered my mind.

    You're much more liable to have your bike stolen, or have your accessories stolen off it than get robbed. (unless you go slumming in a true 1% biker bar).

    WD./
     
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    I carry daily and am licensed to do so is 38 or so states...
     
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    With due respect, I don't think California laws and attitudes are typical of most of the rest of the country. I believe the question here is based on whether one is more comfortable carrying in general, motorcycle or not. I live in Florida, which is about as firearms-friendly as California is firearms-hostile, so perhaps my milieu is no more typical than California. I ride with a group of retired military pilots and Marines, and most if not all carry .380s. I suspect they do motorcycling or not. One does not need to be alone far from home to have one's life or the life of a loved one put in danger by an aggressor. The nearest ATM after dark will do. There are powerful, emotionally-loaded arguments for and against carrying -- I'd rather be armed and not need the weapon than not be armed and need it. I'm licensed. I carry when I remember to, though my firearms are too large for comfortable concealment. (In Florida there is the Stand Your Ground law: I don't have to retreat to avoid a threat to my life. However that law has recently been amended to require me to prove I needed deady force to protect my life where before the State had to prove I did not. That is a significant and to me a chilling change.)
     
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    The Soviet Socialist Republic of California makes it impossible to carry legally. I'm originally from Arizona. When I visit family there, moment I cross the border, I'm packin', and it feels so good.

    The scenario where somebody is threatening you with violence and you feel the best course of action is to resist.

    But once they do advertise it, drawing your gun (assuming they haven't drawn theirs) is quite likely to discourage them from proceeding any further with ill intent.

    There's almost no scenario where it makes sense to draw on someone who has already drawn on you, unless you are certain they are going to kill you and there really is no other option.

    If they had used a weapon to rob me -- threatened me with it? Very possibly maybe. Tough to say. I'd probably draw and see what they did when I told them to stop. If they ran, I'd probably let them go and call the cops. If they were stupid enough to turn back and confront me, it wouldn't go well for them.

    If you're a victim of robbery/theft, it's going to cost you time no matter what. It's very traumatic and a very big hassle if you are robbed or violently assaulted. Sadly, I happen to know this from personal experience. However, getting killed would be much more inconvenient.

    Debatable. Not even sure what this has to do with the rest of your points. Why wouldn't someone on a motorcycle avoid someone who pulled out of a street in front of them?

    Castle doctrine. You can protect your home/property. If they leave the property, best to let the cops handle it. It always depends what state you live in.

    In California, if a horde of zombies burst through your front door, and you staked them in the forehead Walking Dead style, you'd probably be charged with unlawful dismemberment of a corpse, and sued by the zombie's surviving family members.
     
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    Interesting question. While I have a CCP I almost never use it. My dad who is 80 years old uses his all of the time. He is amazingly competent drawing his firearm and firing very accurately quickly. And I guess it comes down to that, if you haven't taken a firearm safety course for concealed carry that has actual range practice during the course I probably wouldn't carry a firearm. If on the other hand you do recreational shooting and practice with the handgun that you would be carrying, well then definitely go for it.
     
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    A .380 in my Vest or coat pocket when on my bike out and about.
    Makes me feel safer with rather than without.
    A 9mm in small of my back whenever I'm out and about and not in my bike.
    Warm and fuzzy feeling.
    As others have said.... would be such a legal hassle if I ever had to use deadly force to defend my life.
     
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    anywhere its legal, even home on puter or watching tv, it grows on you like a wallet
     
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